Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Greenjeans
. . . I'm concerned on a number of levels, the chief level being that I know some no-self-esteem-having member of my gender is going to come to this thread and tell you how fervently she agrees with you. Which will cause me to bite my tongue in twain.".
If that does happen--and I passionately hope it won't--but if it does, I'm betting that agreement could only come from someone who's still a girl and who hasn't yet encountered the adult world. If a self-respecting adult woman declares her agreement with Jack, I, too, will be tongue-severed, Lady Greenjeans. And apoplectic.

Quote Originally Posted by Jack the Tripper
To any feminists on here... what are some goals that you're actually working toward?
My goals? Again, these are my humanist goals, which encompass all groups who're treated unfairly. If you substituted "humanism" or "human rights" for "feminism" in your post above, Jack, you'd see the folly in it right away.
- To get equal pay for equal work
- To receive equal educations and have teachers and professors nurture girl and women, gay, and racially diverse students in the same way they do straight white male students, from K - post-graduate professional school
- To get equal consideration for all jobs
- To be free from religious or political judgment or oppression
- To receive and give equal courtesy (to have doors opened for us and to open doors for others, both literally and figuratively)
- To be seen as intellectually equal with 25- 55-something white men no matter what gender, race, age or sexual preference we are
- To compete and be considered for physical jobs when we demonstrate physical equality (military combat and fire-fighting are two that pop into my head)
- To have men of all races and geographies, particularly the ones who have a touch of machismo or religious-influenced women/gays/blacks-are-second-class-citizens attitudes, regard us as intellectual equals, and to have any women/gays/people of color who don't perceive us as such (and there are a frightening lot of them) regard us the same way
- To have mastery of our own physical destiny, which extends to
1. Medical care (women, people of color, gays, and poor people lag behind in their quality of health care)
2. Our reproductive rights (men and women, particularly, but also transgendered people. Here I mean birth control, abortion, and surgery to add, subtract or create female or male reproductive organs )
3. Our right to die with dignity and, if we need it, with compassionate assistance
- To have equal rights to marry or not to marry, whether we're women in a non-equality culture like Saudi Arabia, or gays

I seem to have exhausted my brain and can't think of any more, but I suspect there are lots more. I've studied for 9 hours today. So I don't have much ability to generate deep thought tonight.