Quote Originally Posted by birdgirl73
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
I'd like to see a discussion about women and feminism with regards to the childfree.
Just name the time, Breuk . . .
Weâ??ll get to it in time. Cnildfree women talking about their views make me sound like the president of the Foundation for Children as Gods, lol.

Oh, Breuk, here you're almost too tiresome to merit a response, but let me simply say that you can lie to yourself and tell others you proudly dismiss any connection to children, but at heart I hope youâ??re not clueless enough to really believe that. I'm certainly not.

Iâ??m well aware of your sentiments about children and people who bear them. I think your disdain is actually a result of your own out-of-balance upbringing, which I know involved abuse and pain and has left you with lingering bitterness.
Hey, I never said I had "abuse" from my parents or upbringing - I had a lot of bad breaks, which I took in stride - and do a lot less bitching about my problems than many middle-class whiners with kids. Your personal remarks are "tiresome", and the sign of a weak argument - I'm speaking about my perceptions in general - not attacking anybody in particular on this board.

You wonâ??t get any argument from me that youâ??ve likely done a great service to society by not having children of your own.
I'd probably make a better parent than 95 percent of those that have children - if it were my inclination.

In your heart and mind, however, I hope youâ??re not so myopic or isolationistic that you canâ??t see that other peopleâ??s children are going to touch your life in very direct ways, even if you have no concern for them now.
I have "concern" in that there are too many of them in the world - and people have them for stupid reasons.

Theyâ??re going to be the ones who asses and collect your taxes. Write the legislation that governs you. Mold the global policy that shapes your world. Theyâ??re going to be the ones find new cures and treatments for cancer, heart disease and even celiac disease. Who will nurture and nurse you, spoon-feed you, help you get up out of your chair, and chansge your diapers when you require that assistance, see to your funeral arrangements, and probate your will. Theyâ??re already the ones whoâ??re out there defending you from enemies both foreign and domestic.
Children do not do these things - adults do. And I won't be wearing "diapers", or end up in a nursing home. Nobody in my line ever did, and I wont be the first.

Happiness is being free - and not living in a fools' paradise.


So I hope youâ??ll re-evaluate your stance as not being connected to the metaphoric village and not having any investment in children, no matter what you think of Senator Clinton. Because you are connected even if youâ??re not yet perceptive enough to comprehend that.
I'm "perceptive enough to comprehend" when I'm getting ripped-off by a person with a constituency of incompetent parents that needs my money to care for and entertain more expensive, obnoxious little reproductions of themselves.

P.S. most of the Childfree organizations are run, and frequented by, women. Whether they are "feminists" or not, they are out there - and their number is increasong, along with childfree males, in the world.