Feminism (male input welcomed)

[Demeter]

I acknowledge your statement, but a main reason why I dont like the idea is that we shouldnt need to be fighting for equal rights in the first place, and that these types of groups should not need to exist because we should all tolerate each others differences and not let them play a role in how we view people

:hippy:

Hi Samwhore- You are correct in that things SHOULD be different, and if all was well, we shouldn't need to fight against oppression. But the world is NOT as it should be, so what dutch.lover is talking about is a way to make what should be become what is. Of course, nobody likes the idea that equality does not currently exist with regards to a number of groups, but sweetie, if we don't try to redress the issues, they will not just go away. It is upsetting to think of the world that way, but we must, in order to affect change.

[mattmao]

my view we are all human the same rights for everyone,take away the labels and we are all the same!!

[Demeter]

alrite i understand that about saying all feminists dont blame there problems on men but for those that do that is also very frustrating becasue in the natural sense like a couple thousand years ago women would take care of the babies in the home and men would take care of the babies and the women abroad like hunting for food, protection, and such so i think its only natural that something like that still carries over into modern times. its instinct

I have no idea what you mean

[Purple Banana]

Yeah, I saw that, Hockey- that was really great. I wish I could get the one Lundqvist is gonna sign... I don't think I could afford it.

Not a huge fan of the Rangers, but I like 'em a good amount. Go Flyers!

[dutch.lover]

greenejeans ~ every month is white history month? care to elaborate on that one?

Here is another example that i think will clarify her point...when kids complain about mothers day, and fathers day cause they want their own special day, and the parents say "but every day is kids day."

whites don't need something like a history month because we have pretty much been "in power"/dominant since humankind as we know it.

[dutch.lover]

Oh, and about Purple Bananas comment about cancers...there was a campaign (i think it's bc cancer society) started up last year that deals with "below the waist cancers"! It's awesome, it's called The Underwear Affair and it's a walk/run to raise money for all "taboo" cancers such as colon, rectal, cervical, ovarian, etc. It's not for a specific gender which I think is cool since most cancers seem to, even implicitly, have a huge gender component added to them. Like, breast cancer is usually a woman focused thing, but many men get it too. The best part about The Underwear Affair? You do the walk/run in your underwear!!! Well, u don't have to, but that's the novelty of it.

[Mrs. Greenjeans]

purple banana~ this is a bit off topic but there was a week in the NHL that the majority of hockey players used pink sticks to be auctioned off to raise money for breast cancer awareness.



greenejeans ~ every month is white history month? care to elaborate on that one?

Do I really need to LOL? I think that's a separate thread, which I'd be happy to post on if you'd like to open it.

I was drawing an analogy for Purple Banana.
Maybe I should have said "It's like asking why isn't there a men's issues forum on CDot? " The answer is, "All of CDot is a men's issues forum"

[PotHeed420]

Wanna hear a joke, womens rights but yeah that was a joke and i don't feel that way, i think ladies should be treated the best

[SaanenGoats]

Oh, dangit all to hell: I was doing my eyebrows and saw this thread, got sidetracked, and now I'm kinda lopsided. Anyhow, first of, I'd like to say congrats and thanks to all of you for keeping this thread civil. I've read far too many long long threads about many topics which I stand on one side or the other including feminism, gun control, abortion, and read through far too many threads which were nothing but thoughtless, rude screaming. As far as contributing: I don't have much to say though I would like to ask Dutch.Lover a question that's been bothering me lately.

I've been through my share of feminist classes as well, and I liked my Third Wave Feminism class the best, though my friend and I in it had an interesting discussion, which was never answered. She pointed out that since feminism is opening up so much that almost everyone's version of feminism is viable, what's to stop an antifeminist from calling themselves feminist? I didn't have an answer, but I left university calling myself a feminist. After graduation, I now work at a sawmill with a crew list of men except for one woman. Most of them treat me very equally and I couldn't ask for a better group. And when I use the term equally, I mean they treat me as a member of the group. They don't censor their language around me, they don't censor their topics, they treat me according to my experience level and strength. One guy, who calls himself a gentleman and often complains of the uncouth company he is 'forced' to work with, stood out and invited me to dinner one night, and, regretably, I accepted. (I swear, this is leading to something) Anyhow, during the course of the evening, he tried to ply me with lots of wine, repeatedly said things like "I'm old enough to be your father but I'm sexually attracted to me" (he's OLDER than my father) while staring at me hungrily, mentioned that one of the other guys on the crew must have done something to his daughter since she didn't marry until she was 30, and then to top it all off, when I mentioned I considered myself a feminist, he said he was one too. Ever since, I don't consider myself a feminist.

So Dutch.Lover, or anyone else, for that matter, do you have any comments? Because I'm for sure still struggling with that dilemma.

[Mrs. Greenjeans]

I don't know what to say to that^, I'm tired and it will require some energy to give a thoughtful and well reasoned reply, and I'm not Dutch.Lover, but I do have an opinion, I just can't seem to articulate it right now and I want to remember to give it a shot later

But I wanted to tell you I got a huge kick out of this.v

he said he was one too. Ever since, I don't consider myself a feminist.

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