Feminism (male input welcomed)

[Breukelen advocaat]

This is what I'm wondering, and I know it's a bit off-topic, but why is it that people need to announce they recieved bad rep from someone, and feels a need to bitch about it on the board for everyone to see? It's just rep, people.

Just wondering.

I posted something about it yesterday. It's a status thing, I guess.

If you let things here get to you, or take it too seriously, it's time to go - for a while, at least. It's only light entertainment, and a way to kill some time.
All this "rep" stuff is just supposed to be for fun. I can't believe people actually care about it or even bother to do it.

http://boards.cannabis.com/cannabis-...ml#post1329531

[Polymirize]

This is what I'm wondering, and I know it's a bit off-topic, but why is it that people need to announce they recieved bad rep from someone, and feels a need to bitch about it on the board for everyone to see? It's just rep, people.

Just wondering.

I saw the first one as an incredible invitation to kick him when he was down...

But yeah, it's completely ridiculous.

[Demeter]

Demeter, in another forum you wrote "I wrote some disgustingly violent poems about ripping men's heads like lettuce..."
'nough said!

For the rest of you. Please, if any of you could explain to me what I did to deserve your wrath I will do my best to maintain an open mind. Seriously.....educate me. Mold my mind. Inform me.

- Slow -

That's right pumpkin, I wrote that when I was 19, yes, I was a very mean girl. Funny how rape and incest can spawn such feelings in a young girl.

But I am much older and wiser now. The years have taught me many things that clearly you have yet to learn.
In this thread we have already explained what is wrong with your arguments. I personally don't have more time for such an overgrown student I have enough trouble keeping up with the 90+college kids I teach every semester.
You want to be educated- then read! Education is a lot deeper than a freaking Pink Floyd song suggests, yea, duh!
Read books about women's issues. Read books about the marginalization of other groups. Read about history and mythology and philosophy. Read poetry. Study science. Mold yourself big guy!
Then we might be able to converse.
until then - buh bye

[Purple Banana]

You want to be educated- then read! Education is a lot deeper than a freaking Pink Floyd song suggests, yea, duh!

I'm sorry, but my Floydian urges are kicking in... :stoned:

The song isn't about anti-education, Waters and Gilmour specifically state that in many interviews about the song, it's about the mistreatment of the school-aged youth in the '40s and '50s. it's very pro-education in a backwards way.

[Demeter]

I'm sorry, but my Floydian urges are kicking in... :stoned:

The song isn't about anti-education, Waters and Gilmour specifically state that in many interviews about the song, it's about the mistreatment of the school-aged youth in the '40s and '50s. it's very pro-education in a backwards way.

Oh please don't get me wrong pb, I LOVE Pink Floyd, and of course, you are certainly correct about the intent of the song when it was written- I was simply referring to the way that slow was using it- as an indictment against little old me. He was using the wrong song to put down my pedagogy:wtf:
Many students also love to be silly and sing the song right before midterms- and they mean it the way slow did, not knowing what you do about it, and that is what I was objecting to.
This makes me want to smoke a bowl and listen to Dark Side of the Moon! That particular album was very big when I first started smoking, way back in the day. The first time I ever listened to that album some friends of mine got me very high and put me in the back seat of a friend's car with awesome speakers, and just left me there to trip. It was amazing:stoned:

[slowlickitysplit]

OK...I'm a noob and I have learned my leason about reps. I simply went to my account and found these negative remarks and I was like WTF? Leason learned.

Thanks!


And slow, recouched as such... you might have something. But I don't know why the rise of single parent families or rising divorce rates would be laid at the feet of feminists. I might understand the thought behind doing so, but I'd immediately question its validity.

I'd also like to know just what the hell this "moral decline" is, that everyone keeps talking about. It sounds like senile individuals reminiscing about "back in the day". It seems that human nature has remained relatively unchanged throughout the past several thousand years of recorded history. Humans lie, cheat, steal, beat their spouses, etc.
Does the fact that these issues are discussed publically, and revealed (in part through feminist critique, civil rights, and ethnic inequality issues) mean that we're in a moral decline?

Or just the opposite?

Plyy,
First off, let me say you have one hell of a sharp mind!
OK...Why do you question that the rise in divorce rates is tied to feminisim? To me it seems obvious, as I explained. Can you suggest other reasons for it?

What is moral decline? Hmmm. You have a good point. What is morality? I agree with you on human nature but morality is relative to the society one lives in (It's considered immoral to practice canibalisim here and now but was perfectly acceptable to many peoples of the past.) I'll have to think on it a bit.

I would like to go back to the issue of feminism's effect on the economy. Please remember, I am not an expert but here is how I see it....
Back in the heyday of feminisim almost every radical speach spoke of being "Chained to the stove" or "Enslaved to our fathers and husbands" and all kinds of Emancipation talk. They related womens plight to that of slaves. Now without a doubt the emancipation of slaves had a profound effect on the economy, both immediate and long term. How could it be that the emancipation of women (though drawn out longer) could not have an effect?

- Slow -

[slowlickitysplit]

That's right pumpkin, I wrote that when I was 19, yes, I was a very mean girl. Funny how rape and incest can spawn such feelings in a young girl.

But I am much older and wiser now. The years have taught me many things that clearly you have yet to learn.
In this thread we have already explained what is wrong with your arguments. I personally don't have more time for such an overgrown student I have enough trouble keeping up with the 90+college kids I teach every semester.
You want to be educated- then read! Education is a lot deeper than a freaking Pink Floyd song suggests, yea, duh!
Read books about women's issues. Read books about the marginalization of other groups. Read about history and mythology and philosophy. Read poetry. Study science. Mold yourself big guy!
Then we might be able to converse.
until then - buh bye

Demeter,
I'm sorry. It was a cheap shot. I was hurt by what you wrote and I was trying to be mean. It was wrong of me and i sincerely appologize.

- Slow -

[slowlickitysplit]

So you've finally come around . . . you've finally decided that what I said three pages ago back in post #64 is true, then?

Hallelujah. Glad I was able to make a point that you finally circled back around and decided was true.

Is this to me Birdgirl? If so I'm a little lost. I think the issue is why is a dual income necissary not that it is or that it is hard for a single parent to support a family.

- Slow -

[lonewolf88]

i'm a firm believer in complete chaos. i believe we shouldn't fight for equality but superiority. cuz im jus fuckin insane and i love it

[sailboat]

i'm a feminist.
im not ashamed of it.... not even with the misconceptions.
and i dont know why any one would be ashamed to call themselves thus if they are believers in equality.

men often say the with feminism, chivalry died. this isnt that case.... feminism goes far deeper than the political correctness of opening a door for someone....

people often say with feminisim came the decline of 'family'
if 'family' is dependent on woman with no voice, few rights and a prefit mold that ALL females are expected to fit in (unless of course they are spinsters, or even worse gay which does a whole new number on 'family'...) then I question the real value of 'family' anyways.

feminism *may* have impacted divorce rates, but who should be blamed, the women who have finally found a voice or the men who see women as chattel?
(of course im not saying all men are that way... its just a point to think about)

it's so easy to blame the 'feminis't the revolutionary, the person who think everyone deserves an equal say.... and few people question the society that created the NEED for the radical.

if there was equality, pure equality, not the 'well you can vote so stop bitching' ideaology of so many then there would no need for feminists. but there really truly isnt...

women do not recieve equal treatment, equal pay or equal respect.
they start jobs in lower positions, are promoted at lower frequency and recieve less pay, statisticly. they are face with double standards, and when they complain are told they are either 'not true women' (well how dare we ask for more... we must all be bull dykes!) or that we, because of our gender cannot handle more, or do not deserve more.

i am NOT speaking for everything or everyone....
just my general insight after semesters upon semesters of gender studies and sociology courses, and of course... opinon (but i am proud of my oppinion and always open for other educated veiws...)