I found PapaSmokes to be really expensive. I would check the small "tobacco stores: too. That is where I found the best deal. In fact, I found one shop that I can often negotiate price. I walk in and say," I want to spend $15.00 on a nice glass piece." The lady will show my what I can get for $15.00 and she sometimes offer larger and nicer pieces for the same price. I much rather go there than a head shop.