Republican and pro-cannabis

[VaporDaddy]

You can take my weed, when you pry it from my cold, dead hand!



Sorry Mrs. G I just had to say that. lol

:jointsmile:

[delusionsofNORMALity]

Let's get back to the issue at hand, that being convincing Mrs. G that the republicans aren't going to make it even harder for cannabis users than it already is....

if you're looking for a pro-cannabis choice you're not gonna find it. there are far too many bigger items on the table for them to start openning up that can of worms.

1.the republicans don't give a flying fuck about your rights or anyone else's. they are perfectly happy with the status quo on the issue of drug legalization.

2.these are just politicians we're talking about here. they are more than willing to sacrifice their own mothers to push through the legislations that are dear to their hearts.

3.only mainstream issues are helped or hindered by mixing religion into the pot and legalization is not seen as a mainstream issue.

4.consuming cannabis or any other substance is of no harm to anyone and the government should never have stuck its nose in in the first place, but my views on that are obvious and well documented on this and other sites. believe me, you don't want to get me started on that subject.

5.time heals all wounds. if you expect ignorance to be overcome quickly you're bound to be sorely disappointed. it's taken many years to build this wall of intolerance around the usage of a simple herb and it will take many more to reverse the lies and half-truths that have been planted in people's minds.

republicans are too caught up in enforcing their version of morality and democrats are too concerned with saving us from ourselves with meaningless regulations and social programs. neither of these ideologies is conducive to an atmosphere of tolerance for the foibles of the few.

without a viable third party i think you'd best just keep your plants well hidden and your bong in a locked cupboard.

[Oneironaut]

Well, anybody of any political persuasion can figure out smoking pot is fun. But there is a real tendency for Republicans to not be potheads and for potheads to not be Republicans. It's not an absolute, but it's a correlation that needs explaining.

I think Republicans are mostly against weed because they tend to be very Christian and very patriotic. A strong obedience to church and state creates a state of mental dependence based on fear, causing a lot of people to blindly follow tradition and authority when it tells them certain things (like weed) are taboo. Republicans are less likely to have exposure to weed smokers, and are less likely to try it to begin with. One major factor in potheads' distrust of Republicans is the fact that Republicans have been participating in the screwing over of potheads over for the past 70 years.

Also, the pot culture puts a big emphasis on sharing weed. You smoke other people up, they smoke you up, it all works out in the end. This clashes with the Republican advocacy of cut-throat greed-driven capitalism.

There are also cultural factors that drive the negative correlation between Republicans and stoners. The very left-leaning hippie movement contributed immensely to the popularization of cannabis in the US. Hippies tend to be on the left, and people who hang out with hippies tend to be on the left, and children of people who hung out with hippies tend to be on the left, and friends of children of people who hung out with hippies tend to be on the left. As the cannabis culture grows, so do left-wing ideals, because of the continuing influence of the hippie ideology. It is often very watered down hippie ideology, sure, but it's still enough to make stoners less likely to pick the Republican candidate on the ballot.

[Psycho4Bud]

1. Is the general republican stance on cannabis the same as it is on other issues i.e. I got mine, now you get yours?

LMAO! Kind of a one sided convo here don't ya think? I don't see the Kerrys and Kennedys sharing whats theirs.

2. Are republicans willing to run in place, or even go backwards on cannabis issues as long as a candidate protects other republican issues, such as gun control. IOW, if a tradeoff has to be made, is there a sufficient commitment to cannabis related issues? Or will they get tossed by the wayside?

There are no trade-offs for some issues. Fact is when the economic + is brought to light there will be much more support.

3. Does anyone really think Rubin is helping matters by mixing it with religion? If so, why? If not, why?

I think it helps matters. Just more people bringing it to the light. Another example of someone wanting to exercise their beliefs with LESS government controls; holds to the republican format.

4. Do you believe being able to consume cannabis comes under the heading of "personal liberty", and thus should be decriminalized, or do you approve of medical use only, and if so, how will this affect your consumption of cannabis?

I believe in the legalization of ALL drugs for personal or medical use. FREE COUNTRY! Take the $ out of the hands of the gang bangers and put it to some good use. Whether it be a joint or a line, it should be my choice.

5. What do you see as a real, viable workaround to the dichotomy between "family values", and the very lucrative potential that cannabis has? How do you think it can be regulated and taxed, and yet still appease the Bible Belters that the republican party has associated itself with?

$$$.....Money talks and bullshit walks. The republicans may have the religious extremists but at least they don't have the Fonda's doing the crotch crawl on an enemys tank. BOTH sides have their extremists.....the real question is what vested interests they have in the alchohol and pharmaceutical companies.

Regulation and tax....pretty much the same as the alchohol industry. I wonder how they would handle the "growers" though. Would this be a new clasification of moonshiner?

Okay, I think that's enough for now.

I know it's a bit off topic but with the Democrats nose into EVERYTHING that may be bad for our health, what makes you think that this would be the pro-marijuana party? Smoke, second hand smoke, ozone layer, OMG!!!

Have a good one!:s4:

[Zimzum]

I know it's a bit off topic but with the Democrats nose into EVERYTHING that may be bad for our health, what makes you think that this would be the pro-marijuana party? Smoke, second hand smoke, ozone layer, OMG!!!

Have a good one!:s4:

Democrats will do it more so for medical reasons. Kerry and Kennedy are both pro mmj. Compassion for the sick. Look at the fuss republicans and the religious right put up when that girl in Florida had the feeding tube removed after years of being on it. They want to tell me that girl was leading a great life as a vegetable and should continue to live that way until natural death.

The republican way of compassion is with prayer not medication or science.

[tuscani]

I am a pro-pot republican....I don't see why you would think republican and pro cannabis are mutually exclusive....since the days of yellow journalism and racism have passed, most conservative americans are aware that cannabis doesnt pose much threat to the prosperity of our nation. However, there is no reason to expect a push for legalization by any political officials, because to tell you the truth, the country has more important things to deal with other than the legalization of a damn plant...who cares, I am able to obtain it w/o problems, and I could easily cultivate my own plants for personal use without any troubles.

[Psycho4Bud]

Democrats will do it more so for medical reasons. Kerry and Kennedy are both pro mmj.

"Senators Kerry and Kennedy are absolutely right," said Steve Fox, director of government relations for the Marijuana Policy Project in Washington, D.C. "The DEA is legally bound to grant this application. We expect that this will finally put an end to the DEA's infuriating practice of single-handedly blocking effective research on the therapeutic benefits of marijuana while claiming, with no sense of irony, that marijuana is not a medicine because no research proves that it has medicinal value."

In a study of patients receiving government-grown medical marijuana published last year, neurologist Ethan Russo described the NIDA marijuana as "a crude, low-grade product." An article in the Jan. 24, 2003, San Mateo County Times quoted doctors, patients, and local officials who complained that the low quality of NIDA's marijuana was driving patients out of a county-supported medical marijuana trial being conducted at the San Mateo Medical Center.
Marijuana Policy Project


In order to deal with the problem of illegal drugs in this country, efforts must be focused on keeping drugs out of the country and our communities, as well as reducing demand for illegal drugs. John Kerry supports aggressively targeting traffickers and dealers, as well as making a commitment to sufficiently fund drug prevention and treatment programs.
Source: Campaign website, JohnKerry.com, "Issues" Mar 21, 2004
John Kerry on Drugs

I guess he was for it before he was against it..........where did I hear that one before????

Have a good one!:s4:

[thcbongman]

Can somebody please please please explain to me how one can be both Republican and pro-cannabis? Reassure me that there are indeed pro-cannabis Republicans on Capitol Hill. Do something to convince me that your very political ideals are not in direct contradiction to your personal practices.

First off, everyone's ideologies are variently different, no one would fit perfectly with the typical republican or democratic mold. However I trust the republicans to legalize more than the democrats, although my viewpoint is that neither party truly support the legalization effort.

The bottom line is I think cannabis will eventually be legalized due to it's economic potential. The only thing stopping from republicans from supporting legalization is their christian moral-based voters. Otherwise, at the ideological core they believe in limited regulation, states-rights, and have a less restrictive stance when it comes to personal liberty. They don't have the baby-sitter mentality like the democrats, and that's why democrats will never legalize.

[Zimzum]

because to tell you the truth, the country has more important things to deal with other than the legalization of a damn plant...who cares, I am able to obtain it w/o problems, and I could easily cultivate my own plants for personal use without any troubles.

Prison overcrowding, gang violence, health hazards (look at the grit weed in England) are all part of what comes out of marijuana not being legal. You might be ok now but your views may change when it comes to effect you more personally. Maybe when you're in front of a judge someday and say "it's just a plant!" they'll just let you go scott free.

P4B your 2nd link is a reference to illegal drugs in general. It doesn't state marijuana specifically like the first article. I'm also for marijuana and against much harder and damaging drugs.

[tuscani]

First off, everyone's ideologies are variently different, no one would fit perfectly with the typical republican or democratic mold. However I trust the republicans to legalize more than the democrats, although my viewpoint is that neither party truly support the legalization effort.

The bottom line is I think cannabis will eventually be legalized due to it's economic potential. The only thing stopping from republicans from supporting legalization is their christian moral-based voters. Otherwise, at the ideological core they believe in limited regulation, states-rights, and have a less restrictive stance when it comes to personal liberty. They don't have the baby-sitter mentality like the democrats, and that's why democrats will never legalize.

:rastasmoke: you speak the truth