li ke i said in the other thread i agree with you on lair... it had high hopes but now alot of people are starting to lose faith in it....

but that's not because of ps3, that's because of the devs, just like the 360 didn't make gears of war great, the devs did..

anyone who holds games against a system obviously doesn't belong in the debate (and i'm not refering to you) as the game is only as good as the dev makes it.

and also like i said, i never personaly had any problem with the ps2's and i've owned three now, none from them breaking down tho but i don't say that and mean it's impossible....

personally th eonly reason i feel microsoft finally decided to admit to it was because if they kept denying it, it WOULD have been the end of their gaming cut.... i remember watching th enews and hearing the stories when the 360's first released right before christmas... the day they had mass returns microsoft said basicly you're all shit out of luck.... the next day they issued a new statement saying they would take care of the problem...

if you look hard enough you can find it, i garuntee what i say tho, and it did happen, the statement was just retracted pretty quick because of all the negative attention they were getting

i still see it this way tho... if i'm spending hundreds on a system i expect it to work... i don't want to have to send it off to have it fixed, free or not, i want to be able to play it until it's been worn down from years of use or a newer system comes out...

xbox's also have a wide range of errors and shit.. my brother and nearly everyone of my friends had problems with the original ones too...

to me, that's more than enough to make me not go for it... some of the games on xbox are great, but the games aren't great enough to make me go deal with a shotty system.... you have a 1 in 3 chance of getting your system and having to part with it for atleast two weeks for microsoft to fix a problem thta shouldn't have been there in the first place...

it's also true that it's expected of any mass produced item to hav eproblems... but 33% is too high for me.... much too high..