Rudy Giuliani vs. Hillary Clinton

[Mrs. Greenjeans]

I just don't want his skin color to be the only reason he's there. . .

And I don't want it to be the only reason he's not.

I guess what it all comes down to is: What does middle (read: predominantly white male) America find more threatening in the White House; a n*^^*$, or a woman. One or the other is bound to happen eventually. Those folks who find this a driving concern should just be thankful it's not Oprah who's running, because they'd find themselves with both in the same enormously popular candidate.

And Breukelen Advocaat: American Blacks have a loooong history of discriminating against each other based on skin tone. This goes back to slavery, when the "lightskinned" slaves were often chosen to be house servants, where they "enjoyed" (tongue firmly in cheek) a higher standard of living compared to their brown and black skinned brethren who were largely field workers. Those blacks of lighter hue were seen to be sellouts, asskissers, etc., in the eyes of other blacks. Conversely, blacks of lighter hue bought into the notion of superiority by virtue of their mixed ancestry, and in turn discriminated against darker blacks. It's a tangled mess, perpetuated by slave owners in order to increase their control and property holdings. I recommend the book Who Is Black? One Nation's Definition, by F. James Davis for further exploration of this phenomenon.

[Breukelen advocaat]

And I don't want it to be the only reason he's not.

I guess what it all comes down to is: What does middle (read: predominantly white male) America find more threatening in the White House; a n*^^*$, or a woman. One or the other is bound to happen eventually. Those folks who find this a driving concern should just be thankful it's not Oprah who's running, because they'd find themselves with both in the same enormously popular candidate.

And Breukelen Advocaat: American Blacks have a loooong history of discriminating against each other based on skin tone. This goes back to slavery, when the "lightskinned" slaves were often chosen to be house servants, where they "enjoyed" (tongue firmly in cheek) a higher standard of living compared to their brown and black skinned brethren who were largely field workers. Those blacks of lighter hue were seen to be sellouts, asskissers, etc., in the eyes of other blacks. Conversely, blacks of lighter hue bought into the notion of superiority by virtue of their mixed ancestry, and in turn discriminated against darker blacks. It's a tangled mess, perpetuated by slave owners in order to increase their control and property holdings. I recommend the book Who Is Black? One Nation's Definition, by F. James Davis for further exploration of this phenomenon.

None of this race stuff is news to me. Obama does not have the same background as those who are descendents of plantation slaves. He doesn't even have a background similar to most whites - but no American president ever did. Another privileged little punk with a wife that's on the Board of several corporations.

Basically, it's more of the same bullshit.

[Mrs. Greenjeans]

Another privileged little punk with a wife that's on the Board of several corporations.

And that is the real problem. Making it about race just muddies the waters.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

And that is the real problem. Making it about race just muddies the waters.

but that's what american politics is all about. officials are elected based on appearance and how well they can dodge the mudslingers. the issues just get in the way.

[Mrs. Greenjeans]

Damned issues.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

Damned issues.

yeah. if it wasn't for the damn issues we could have gone ahead and elected paris hilton like we wanted to.

[Mrs. Greenjeans]

That would have been so hawt.

[Skink]

if elected every corn farmer in the sun belt will get free subsidized cannabis seeds...

[Dutch Pimp]

if elected every corn farmer in the sun belt will get free subsidized cannabis seeds...

....that would be a lock...in Tennessee...we can't grow corn....

[rebgirl420]

um well Hilary is a crazy liberal, Giuliana is a liberal in disguise, I say neither are fit to be ANYTHING let alone president. I like a good ol' Libertarian party BUT since the chances of that happening are like, 1,000,000,000,000 to 1 I suppose i'll vote for whoever is republican.