I guess thats one way to see it sam, and i dont really have a response to that because it really dosent matter. It just bothers me on a fundemental level when people are talking about how origional all these bands are and they dont even bother to look at the roots of the music.

please i know your a tool fan, download Spiderland(1992) by Slint and tell me you dont like it. They got there eerie repetitave guitar riffs and their songs are structured similar to tools, especially stuff like Schism & 10,000 days, (the stuff that starts off soft then builds up over 5-6 mins) Its not as electronicly distorted as tool is, but theres no way in hell you can say they dont rock just as hard. So uhh, can you do that for me??