young parents irresponsible?

[Fengzi]

in todays society we have lost the value, foundation, and respect when it comes to our children that prevents them from assuming the responsibility that at one point would be given to a child at that age. Whether we hold it back or they fuck it up, the children of this society are no longer though capible of handling such. There was a time where children did the workings of the family and household while parents provided for and guilded them. Children cooked, cleaned, raised other children, and educated eachother effectively because it was a way of life, now chances are an adult in their early twentys can't manage the lifeload that a 10year old in the past once dilivered upon. Anyways we've created the downfall of society which is currently degenerating and we are letting it run with out any resistence.

Agreed!

Children in North American pioneer days were expected to do adult tasks - and usually did. One of my 4th great grandfathers, when he was thirteen, drove a wagon filled with his families' goods and belongings, pulled by oxen, solo through the wilderness of the Catskill mountains, because his parents and the rest of the family, including young children, were able to take an easier route. They started in Massachusetts. This boy was only about 13 years old at the time - the 1780's. I couldn't do something like that today!

I think the big thing is that each generation wants a better life for their children. But we have reached a point where life is pretty comfortable for all but the most destitute. At least compared to the lives of those 3+ generations back. While this ideal is not neccessarily a bad thing, the problem is that we have run out of things to honestly make their lives "better". So, we start to look to anything that made us slightly uncomfortable. As such, we as a society have begun to coddle our children to the point they are helpless. Yes, providing a better life for a child is a good thing but sometimes, in order to learn, we need to suffer.

A perfect example of this is the way education is handled these days, at least here in California. Teachers no longer fail kids who don't make the grade. Apparently someone, somewhere determined that it is bad for their self confidence. As a result, what qualifies as a "D" has a lower standard than it did in the past, and therefore what qualifies as a "C", "B", and "A" are all lower. I recently read an article that stated that close to 50% of incomming students to the California State University system needed remedial math and english. In other words they were not prepared for college level work. Yet they all had at least a B average from their high schools. How is this? Why does a child who has earned at least a B need remedial classes? Because a B doesn't mean shit anymore, that's why. Because getting an F in something might hurt poor little Dick's, or Jane's, self confidence. Well, what happens to their self confidence after high school when they are unprepared for reality? Why don't more people think of that?

Fengzi Reviewed by Fengzi on 03-28-2007. young parents irresponsible? ok basically samwhore bongh!ts an i kinda hijacked this ladys thread and there was a discussion about 15 year old mothers being irresponsible this is intended to be a civilized discussion/debate/etc. so dont just post/vote if all yr guna say is "they're dumbasses and you guys are all wrong and im right" Rating: 5

[suhl]

if you are fifteen you cant legally work a full time job how the hell are you going to be a good parent. note that i dont consider someone a good parent if someone else is financially supporting the kid. to be around the kid as much as a responsible and good parent youd have to drop highschool. then what a role model that would make. there is almost no conceivable way a fifteen year old could be a good parent.

and really 15 year olds, you dont know shit about life yet. im not saying i know a lot about it but you really pick up on more and more as the years go by. that may be why no one but young kids are saying fifteen year olds would make good parents. note that any example referring to past generations is totally irrelevant that isnt how the world works any more.

and each generation does want a better life for their children. i used to think it was just them wanting a better life for their kids, now i think it is done so old people can bitch about how easy the generation after them has it.

[JeenYuss]

if you are fifteen you cant legally work a full time job how the hell are you going to be a good parent. note that i dont consider someone a good parent if someone else is financially supporting the kid. to be around the kid as much as a responsible and good parent youd have to drop highschool. then what a role model that would make. there is almost no conceivable way a fifteen year old could be a good parent.

and really 15 year olds, you dont know shit about life yet. im not saying i know a lot about it but you really pick up on more and more as the years go by. that may be why no one but young kids are saying fifteen year olds would make good parents. note that any example referring to past generations is totally irrelevant that isnt how the world works any more.

and each generation does want a better life for their children. i used to think it was just them wanting a better life for their kids, now i think it is done so old people can bitch about how easy the generation after them has it.

^^more prejudice statements

im 16, i have 2 whips, a house, a job, and i quit drinking for good

if i wanted a kid i could do it easily

[JeenYuss]

The house probably has to be on the reservation. When the casino laws change, profits drop, casino closes down, he can't afford the payments, or something else, there goes the house.

uhh... who ever said im buying a $500k house? im probably guna get suttin between 130k and like... 200k probably, then put the house i already got up for rent

[JeenYuss]

The house probably has to be on the reservation. When the casino laws change, profits drop, casino closes down, he can't afford the payments, or something else, there goes the house.

^^the house only has ta b on the rez if i dont wanna pay tax on it

casino laws arent going to change, and even if they did they legally cannot close a federally recognized tribe's casino, we are a sovereign nation

im starting classes in college in the spring (next one) after i turn 17

business management and psychology

im guna open a bar, and a therapy office

[Fengzi]

Ya know what Jeen, how about this? Why not go to school, graduate, get those degrees, and then have your kids? That will prove that your responsible enough to be a good parent. That will show that you've grown up and learned to live on your own. Knowing how to live off the system, knowing how to get money from being on the reservation doesn't show that you know how to make it on your own. It shows that you know how to live off others and there is a very big difference. And, until you can at least see that difference, you have no business having kids.

[JeenYuss]

Ya know what Jeen, how about this? Why not go to school, graduate, get those degrees, and then have your kids? That will prove that your responsible enough to be a good parent. That will show that you've grown up and learned to live on your own. Knowing how to live off the system, knowing how to get money from being on the reservation doesn't show that you know how to make it on your own. It shows that you know how to live off others and there is a very big difference. And, until you can at least see that difference, you have no business having kids.

life is all about living off the system, the only way you can possibly not live off the system is if yr like idk a amish dude who grows all his own food or sumthin? idk

i dont plan on having kids, maybe just one when im a lot older

im just asking ppl wut they think, and also putting out my opinion