Questions to peoeple who believe in god?

[jdmarcus59]

jesus said I,am the way, the truth, and the life.
My sheep hear my voces, and they follow Me, and I give them life

[Frank_The_Tank]

just some thoughts i had stuck in my head...

Think as the universe as a foreign entity on its death bed. The entity is dying because on almost all of the known planets there is no life. Consiter the planets cells of this entity. On our planet there was a almost perfect natural balance or preserving life.(trees consume co2 and produce oxygen and mammals produce co2 and consume oxygen) Our earth 10million years ago would be consitered a healthy cell. We can then look at what changed this natural balance. Humans came along slowly destroying this balance and destroying the planet. I believe humans once existed on all planets but had already destroyed theselves a long time ago. If the universe was an entity and the planets were cells of a body , than that would make humanity a deadly disease.


Look at this theory equivilent to a human desease. Slowly spreading throughout the cell , killing the cell , then spreading to other cells. I believe this process would be going on for infinate generations. Each cell in our body a living universe and disease within that cell a form of the human race.

When i first thought of this theory it blew my mind i pondered on it for many days. I hope you can understand


Damn i read this over like 6 times trying to make it make sence. i hope you can figure it out for your self. :rasta:

[jdmarcus59]

It is a fact that the Roman and Greek gods were no real and that they created the gods as an answer to that which they could not answer.

1.)What makes today gods different to any of the roman gods who we know are not real?

2.) What happens to god when all the humans on earth die?

3.) Why did the one god choose Earth as his planet were he would start a civilization which would end up destroying itself in the end. (Im not saying we will destroy ourselves, but i think its pretty inevitable.)

I've asked many people how long god has been around and they always say "God has been here forever". Then i ask them how the earth was made and they say "God made the Earth". I then ask them "Is it possible for the Earth to have been here forever?" and they say "No the earth had to have been created, there is no way for something to just be here if it was created at some point in time."

4.) Why is it then that God can be here forever and not have been created if it is impossible for something to be here without being created.

Sorry in advance if this doesnt make any sense, im baked and having one of my moments .

you are looking at the wrong side of the apple,
when you can understand the answesrs,then you can begin to understand
the qustion

[jdmarcus59]

I believe in god, but not in a traditional sense. I been raised a buddhist, so much of my beliefs are centered around that philosophy. When I talk of a god, it's not in a sense of a mythic being, but the connection of energy of life, the environment. I believe were merely an extension of god, were all one with god. I learned through spiritual psychedelic trips that god is a completely neutral state. I don't believe it to be good or evil, because all the decisions in one's life can turn in either direction. God is the energy everyone draws from, a sense of power, from within and what's around you.

1. I believe the interpretations of god by religions revolve around creating mythic figures for the human to better understand the concept. It's used as a tool to relate to the messages. Stories essentially. These are mere perceptions and images. The messages in all religions are essentially the same when it comes down to it. They all explain were all one with god in the end, but many are so focused on the traditions, and differences that everyone forgets what it means to believe in god.

2. When one dies, his interpretation of god disappears with him. I believe as long as there is life, there is god. I don't believe god is a creator, life is what creates and maintains this world.

3. I don't think there's a plausable explanation, considering we have not discovered others out there. Maybe in time, this question can be answered, but we leave it as one of life's mysteries. As long as there was life, there is and was god.

4. Belief in god comes down to one thing, faith. I think there is too little information out there to make a determination, perhaps one day we'll find out, perhaps we won't. But we as humans are here to stay as long we determined to. This is all god, we are everything. I'll end this with lyrics from a song called God by the band Apollo Sunshine, which musically explains my beliefs.

You find god, the moment you, realize you don't need to find god
you find god, the moment you, realize you don't need to find god

we exist, all of this, this is all god, we are everything
we exist, all of this, this is all god, we are everything

this is the kingdom, we are the people, so open your doors and breathe in deeply
this is the kingdom, we are the people, so open your doors and breathe in deeply
this is the kingdom, we are the people, so open your doors and breathe in deeply

religion is man way to come to some undrestanding,of how to
understand god, are to be able to be good enough to win God favor, by a system of works,Christ cam to do away with the law, and to set man free.
come to know christ, and you will understand life, for He is life.

[mrdevious]

Why do I get the feeling Jdmarcus is using that old theist scapegoat veiled in pseudologic?

"Believe in god, with all your heart, then you'll understand why he exists"

or in less euphamistic terms

"first believe in god, then interpret everything to match up with that preconception, and all the evidence suddenly appears!"

Sorry man, enjoy your faith if that's really where you want to go, but no non-believer is going to gain a respect for a belief that is justified with semi-mystical language that's formulated as such to cover up it's massive logical inadaquacies.

[thewriterandthemuse]

Here's a complete curveball for this whole discussion. What if "God" is something extraterrestrial beyond our understanding? I know traditional Christians believe that the Bible is the true word of God, but then again, who knows what was discarded or translated with a slant when the King James Version was commissioned in the 1600's? (Before that, it was a capital crime to speak or print "the word of God" in anything but Latin... in a society where only 5% were literate, and only the wealthy nobles and priests understood it.)I check up from time to time on a late nite televangelist who currently is the chairperson for linguisticts at Stanford (http://www.drgenescott.com); he and his wife get into some seriously arch-conservatism, but even they run across differences in translation from Greek, Latin, Arameic, and other tongues that fly in the face of institutionalized "mainstream" christianity that they quickly dismiss because it's not in-line with the social tradition.

Hypocrisy. Makes me giggle, even when I'm not lifted.

The Vatican has miles and miles of written material that they refuse to release to the general public, under high security enforced by the Vatican Guard (who are, in fact, Swiss mercenaries... provided for by papal edict during the mid-1800s). A lot of institutionalized Christian tradition is, in fact, co-opted from pagan rituals that Constantine deemed necessary to ease the adoption of the faith as the official religion of the Holy Roman Empire; I can't break them all down ad nauseam, but check out NoBeliefs.com (Freethinkers) and Disinformation :: The gateway to the underground - news, politics, conspiracy and weirdness. for some solid breakdowns... and prepare to sacrifice some herb to the fire gods. Joe Rogan (Welcome to JoeRogan.net: Official Site of Comedian Joe Rogan, the former host of Fear Factor, has a great posting on his site about monkeys and psychoactive fungus that's worth a read.

I've had some miraculous things happen in my life. I walked away from 2 car wrecks that should have killed me, and my late stepfather came out of brain surgery where he only had a 10% chance of survival (the cancer took him 14 months later when it kicked back into overdrive.) I think that science will always trump religion, no matter what; the "wrath of God" can be explained by our study of thunderstorms, agricultural science, and medicine in general. We know more about our world than ever before, and there's still a lot of shit that's unexplicable that we may never understand. As far as we know, we could very well be an abandoned scientific experiment up for review in 2012 if the Mayans are correct. I don't waste time trying to prove if there's a God in any form, and it's beyond my understanding; I have a hard enough time trying to follow two conversations at the same time, and we're talking about something that's omniscient. I just try to do the best that I can by everyone I come into contact with, and I always seem to get what I give. That translates across every single religion and faith I've ever studied.

Slainte,
thewriterandthemuse (or at least, thewriter half)

PS - Sorry if I offened any traditional Christians out there, but if you're a true follower of Jesus, you'll forgive me.

[PureEvil760]

1. There were and still are greek and roman gods, they were created by the belief that they were real and acctually do have influence in thier areas of speacialty. It works the same today.
2. Theres an infinate amount of planets and life in the underverse, I dont think god would get bored.
3. The adam and eve story is somwhat true, humans did not evolve from monkeys 5 tribes were created in the beginning of human life including lemurians and atlantians which were around during the time of the dinosaurs, why do u think alantis was in the water? to be safe from the dinosaurs. I think god was trying to make a perfect material race kind of like an experiment.
4. Its hard for humans to accept the fact that there was no beginning and no end, we are just programmed to believe that there has to be one.

[sharer6969]

Hello Feebs.

These are all good, fair questions, and I'll try to give a reasonable answer to them.

It is a fact that the Roman and Greek gods were no real and that they created the gods as an answer to that which they could not answer.

1.)What makes today gods different to any of the roman gods who we know are not real?

It depends on what you mean by "not real." Were the Romans right to believe in Divinity and that they rely on Divine Power as does the entire universe? No, I don't think they were. Were they wrong to believe that such a higher power was owed worship, and that injustice was hated by said High Power? No, this is correct.

Really, what the Chrisitan critique is, is not saying "you're ALL wrong, oh heathens", but "you're saying incorrect things about God - you're projecting the worst parts of your culture upon God." Thus, they erred in dividing up the powers of God into seperate cults and deities. They erred in ascribing human motives and failings to the Divine Power, etc.

2.) What happens to god when all the humans on earth die?

Putting aside for a moment the idea that God will always have mankind with Him...really, nothing would happen. When Moses asked God "what is your Name?" the Lord replied "I Am That I Am." In other words, He simply "is" - our existance adds nothing to Him, nor does anything we do diminish Him. This is why the ultimate "why" of our existance will always remain a mystery - who can understand the most hidden reasons of the One Who is infinite?

3.) Why did the one god choose Earth as his planet were he would start a civilization which would end up destroying itself in the end. (Im not saying we will destroy ourselves, but i think its pretty inevitable.)

I don't know that it's correct to say "earth is His planet." It's all His. While I don't have any snappy answers to say how extra terrestrials would fit into a Christian cosmology (though I have given it some thought), there is nothing to say that they do not fit into some common larger scheme with us.

4.) Why is it then that God can be here forever and not have been created if it is impossible for something to be here without being created.

Good question. If you want to get down to the nitty gritty, the answer requires one to take a view of things they may not ordinarily have.

We often look at things in terms of "past, present, and future." While that is certainly how we experience this univese, indeed it seems to be our hard wiring...it's not the only way to perceive things. It's not the only possible way. Just as our linear experience of time often takes the form of a "line", the totality of creation (visible and invisible) could just as well be pictured as a "bubble". A bubble or sphere, floating within a greater sphere, which not only exists beyond the lesser sphere, but infuses and permeats it. And what is beyond that? Ultimately, God.

But what all of these created, "lesser than God" realities have in common is that they are limited. They are "circumscribed" - they have a begining and end, whether you look at it in a linear way (where applicable - really, only in the material realm), "spatially" or even "conceptually."

God on the other hand, is beyond this. Thus, I know this universe is not God (which is really what you're asking), because it is clearly perceivable, multiplied, and limited.

[harris7]

your original premise is faulty. we have no way to prove that the greek and roman gods did/do not exist. they have merely been supplanted by a new series of mythologies, so your first question is ruled out as it was based on this faulty premise.
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If youâ??d like to break out the Logic terms, then. Were is the burden of proof?
It should be assumed that the greek gods do not exist until it is proven.

As well, I doubt anyone on earth believes in the roman/greek gods.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

It should be assumed that the greek gods do not exist until it is proven.

to an unbeliever the greek or roman pantheons are no more unlikely than the monotheistic mythologies. i was merely pointing out that from my point of view to arbitrarily rule out one set of deities and not another makes no sense. neither can be proven or disproved.

by the way. there are still 47 people living outside of boise that worship zeus on a regular basis.