What "they" don't want you to know....

[SuperTorch]

Tell that to Brazil, they are not crying to go back to 99% oil usage. Even if we can't produce it all, there are countrys all over the globe that will jump in once the moneys there. There may be some issues with E85 they are all less worriesome than are current oil situation. So we'll see but at this point its not something on the drawing board its REAL and there are Billions and Billions of dollars going into it. There will be an all out effort to stall it here in America because thats just how shit works, but I think at this point they know its on the way, some companies are buying to get in on the money, the bigger ones are buying to price fix as lightly as they can with out geting the federal goverment on them. There was a bill in congress that mandated every new car after 2007 had to have FLEXFUEL capability and it would only ad $50 to the cost of each car and by 2015 there would be so many cars on the road that the pumps would pop up everywhere to compete, but I think it was killed by some big companies because of their profits. Shockingly one of the was GM some how they want to control it. It may have passed Im not sure but In my opinon it was the perfect bill, who the hell would notice $50 on a new car bill, and then boom 2015 rolls around and there are 25-50 million cars ready to get whatever is the cheapest fuel, it was the pefect painless solution.

[Amun]

UM. ....ok.


not only is ethanol not the way to go, so is hydrogen.

hydrogen is ridiculous and should not be considered for 2 main reasons:

1) Even IF the cars are one day reasonably priced, im sure there will be many cheaper options

2) Gas milage cannot change or it will already make our most advanced hydrogen cars obsolete.

hydrogen is a joke to get people to shut up about electric cars.

there are already battery powered cars powerful enough to outrun any internal combustion engine. 500 miles per charge, about $5 a charge, 0 to 80 in (its been a little while since ive seen 'Who Killed The Electric Car') about 3 or 4 seconds I believe. ...and that was out of several hundred laptop batteries.

you see battery technology is already cheaper and available.


why isnt it already implemented?

because:


1) it rarely needs any parts to be replaced. replacement, etc accounts for a LOT of cashflow in the automotive business. cars are built to break. well, american ones anyway.
2) no oil, engine fluids, transmission, moving parts. (except for wheels)
3) batteries once mass produced can be quite cheap. prices were estimated to drop 50%. you know....just like computers. and every other electronic.
4) theres billions more in gasoline to be sold to willing customers that will pay damn near any price to kill themselves and their own planet.


and also, with batteries, there is already a built in network for charging the cars....no need to build more hydro stations. those are goddamn expensive anyway.

charge your electric car at:

*WORK.
*SCHOOL.
*GROCERY STORE.
*HOME.

anywhere with an electrical outlet.



AND BESIDES!!!

hasnt anyone here heard of hempoline? you can power your very own cars with ....YES, youve guessed it!:

HEMP!


what cant marijuana do?

well. honestly....

damn near nothing.

[SwirlyMass]

UM. ....ok.


not only is ethanol not the way to go, so is hydrogen.

hydrogen is ridiculous and should not be considered for 2 main reasons:

1) Even IF the cars are one day reasonably priced, im sure there will be many cheaper options

2) Gas milage cannot change or it will already make our most advanced hydrogen cars obsolete.

hydrogen is a joke to get people to shut up about electric cars.

there are already battery powered cars powerful enough to outrun any internal combustion engine. 500 miles per charge, about $5 a charge, 0 to 80 in (its been a little while since ive seen 'Who Killed The Electric Car') about 3 or 4 seconds I believe. ...and that was out of several hundred laptop batteries.

you see battery technology is already cheaper and available.


why isnt it already implemented?

because:


1) it rarely needs any parts to be replaced. replacement, etc accounts for a LOT of cashflow in the automotive business. cars are built to break. well, american ones anyway.
2) no oil, engine fluids, transmission, moving parts. (except for wheels)
3) batteries once mass produced can be quite cheap. prices were estimated to drop 50%. you know....just like computers. and every other electronic.
4) theres billions more in gasoline to be sold to willing customers that will pay damn near any price to kill themselves and their own planet.


and also, with batteries, there is already a built in network for charging the cars....no need to build more hydro stations. those are goddamn expensive anyway.

charge your electric car at:

*WORK.
*SCHOOL.
*GROCERY STORE.
*HOME.

anywhere with an electrical outlet.



AND BESIDES!!!

hasnt anyone here heard of hempoline? you can power your very own cars with ....YES, youve guessed it!:

HEMP!


what cant marijuana do?

well. honestly....

damn near nothing.

Yeah the hydrogen powered cars they have now run on a hydrogen fuel cell, which is just like a battery but a suped up hydrobat (copyright pending....by me) so instead of some lithium energy storage medium, you add hydrogen and the battery has other chems inside that reconstitute the hydrogen and ambient oxygen into water and collects the electrical energy produced by this. so we would be reliant on buying hydrogen just like we do gasoline right now.

Bio-Diesel is another thing that could replace gas, but you would still need to have a supplier of it. Hell most diesel engines can run on cooking oil if you install a converter.


But you have to think about all possibilities, why trade on gas emission for another?? Thats why ethanol doesn't work. What happens when checho here becomes as abundant as CO2, it might start destroying entire eco systems.




Also a few things to point out, corn is the only thing we in the usa can grow to produce ethanol easily, in brazil they use sugarcane which is only one process to turn into ethanol (distill or ferment the sugars into alcohol) whereas corn takes 2 steps (starch to sugar to alcohol) brazil can grow sugar cane super easy and even processing it into ethanol creates about 5mW of extra power without using any. This is gonna be the exact opposite here in the USA, we'll need tons of water to grow the corn, you have to use a little energy turning the starch into sugars by heating it and then adding a bacteria or something.

Hydrogen is by far the cleanest, most renewable (burning hydrogen or even using it in a fuel cell only produce water which can be broken right back down into hydrogen again) if hydrogen ever became popular you could hook up your own generator to a solar panel on your roof and have free fuel for life.


But as you said, if they can't constantly make money off of it, then they aren't gonna sell it. Even though if the people who came out with something like that put it on the market it would make them enough money to live like a king their entire life, but most oil tycoons are even richer than this to be honest, their greed knows no bounds at all.

One day maybe we will have a paradise but while people still fall victim to greed that will never happen.