What "they" don't want you to know....

[SwirlyMass]

Now despite how conspiratorial this might sound its not a conspiracy its the damn truth.


We all know that gasoline will eventually be phased out and they already have cars for sale that can run on the alternate fuel of choice right now which is ethanol. But here's some things that should outrage you:


1. Ethanol gets a much lower MPG because of lower energy content (70kBTU/Gallon vs Gasoline which is 115kBTU/Gallon) yet right now ethanol costs just as much or more than gas.

2. You are already using ethanol whether you believe me or not. About 99% of gas in the USA is E10 right now meaning it contains UP TO 10% ethanol usually right around 6% tho. Idk if this is required by law right now but trust me even if they don't advertise it at the gas station, its in there.

3. Ethanol is cleaner burning right? WAY FUCKIN WRONG!
A lot of people use this as the main argument for switching to ethanol, and there is a tiny grain of truth but just like life, truth is relative. Ethanol may emit about 25% less CO2 and CO when burned which is great for cutting down on greenhouse gas emissions. But guess what?! The main byproduct of ethanol combustion is (CH3CHO) acetaldehyde which is ranked in the 10 most deadly compounds. It produces TONS of this stuff which causes all kinds of problems. here is a passage lifted from the link below:

Acetaldehyde is a known carcinogen and suspected neurotoxin, and when exposed to its vapors, you or I would likely develop irritation of the eyes, skin and the respiratory tract. In fact, Acetaldehyde is ranked as one of the most hazardous compounds (worst 10%) to ecosystems and human health.

here is a useful link Car Bibles : The Fuel and Engine Bible , you have to go all the way down the page until you see the big E85 logo on the left and this is where most of this info comes from. This guys page is simply amazing, i don't think ive ever learned so much about engines, INCLUDING from the automotive engine repair class i took in college lol.


HYDROGEN FUEL ALL THE WAY MY NI**AS!!! (*=n and j respectively so as not to be offensive)

Hydrogen fuel is the future, the only thing is that it takes more energy to split the water molecule than you can get back out of the products (oxygen and hydrogen) but thats what we have solar power for. Our entire planet (to put this in perspective, our planet contains everything you have ever seen, heard, touched, learned, experienced. and most people die without ever leaving it) but i digress; where was i? oh yes! We are orbiting a giant nuclear power plant that is 100 times bigger than every single atom that makes up our planet, and the moon...i don't understand why solar power isnt more popular. it has a one time cost of equipment and very low maintainence and would constantly provide power just about every day. and on places like the moon where there are no clouds and one half of the moon is ALWAYS facing the sun, it would be the perfect power plant for a moon base.


anyways. ethanol is not the savior it claims to be, what if everyone used it? we would all be retards because our atmosphere would be polluted with a horrible neurotoxin. think about the worst headache you've ever had. now picture getting punched in the face while having this headache, now imagine feeling like that 24/7.



I hope i didn't spoil anyones day...:hippy: :hippy:

SwirlyMass Reviewed by SwirlyMass on 02-15-2007. What "they" don't want you to know.... Now despite how conspiratorial this might sound its not a conspiracy its the damn truth. We all know that gasoline will eventually be phased out and they already have cars for sale that can run on the alternate fuel of choice right now which is ethanol. But here's some things that should outrage you: 1. Ethanol gets a much lower MPG because of lower energy content (70kBTU/Gallon vs Gasoline which is 115kBTU/Gallon) yet right now ethanol costs just as much or more than gas. 2. You Rating: 5

[Nochowderforyou]

Hi Swirly,

You seem like an angry person. I think you should consider some medicine of somesort. I don't want to offend you, but your threads bring the worst out in people. If you want some changes in government, then do so your way, but not everyone feels the same as you. Some of us are happy, and maybe you should to see why you're not.

Again, no offense, but life is too short to be pissed off.

[SwirlyMass]

The reason I'm not content with life is because if you are constantly accepting what is then nothing will ever change. Adversity creates change, period.

I'm actually quite easy going. I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm talking down to people, or bringing up issues that people don't like to deal with but ignoring it will not make it go away.

And to be honest some of the stuff other people say makes me really mad and want to flame them and stuff but thats the great part about forums, you can hear someones opinion and then choose to ignore it, and its easier when its the internet and you don't even have to see them in person, so just like everyone else says, if you don't like my post, you don't have to respond.

I even put an apology at the bottom of the first post hehe.


I guess im just an opinionated person who thinks issues that affect most people should be brought to light. So much stuff happens in the world, and it affects everyone so just because some people don't know or aren't included doesn't mean it wont affect them.

so i guess what im trying to say is "KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!"


EDIT: oh and i was totally pro ethanol before i found most of this stuff out. u can make it at home fairly easy (easier than refining gasoline anyway) in a still. and you can drink it if you make it yourself (they poison it so you can't consume it if you buy it). the Model T was even designed to run on alcohol because henry ford knew that people would be able to make their own fuel because alot of people had stills, some speculate that this is why prohibition was enacted and failed at the same time. they enacted it to prevent people getting a hold of it, and when people started making it themselves they couldn't control it either, in fact they had much much less control over it. it's interesting to ponder at least..

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The reason I'm not content with life is because if you are constantly accepting what is then nothing will ever change. Adversity creates change, period.

I'm actually quite easy going. I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm talking down to people, or bringing up issues that people don't like to deal with but ignoring it will not make it go away.

And to be honest some of the stuff other people say makes me really mad and want to flame them and stuff but thats the great part about forums, you can hear someones opinion and then choose to ignore it, and its easier when its the internet and you don't even have to see them in person, so just like everyone else says, if you don't like my post, you don't have to respond.

I even put an apology at the bottom of the first post hehe.


I guess im just an opinionated person who thinks issues that affect most people should be brought to light. So much stuff happens in the world, and it affects everyone so just because some people don't know or aren't included doesn't mean it wont affect them.

so i guess what im trying to say is "KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!"


EDIT: oh and i was totally pro ethanol before i found most of this stuff out. u can make it at home fairly easy (easier than refining gasoline anyway) in a still. and you can drink it if you make it yourself (they poison it so you can't consume it if you buy it). the Model T was even designed to run on alcohol because henry ford knew that people would be able to make their own fuel because alot of people had stills, some speculate that this is why prohibition was enacted and failed at the same time. they enacted it to prevent people getting a hold of it, and when people started making it themselves they couldn't control it either, in fact they had much much less control over it. it's interesting to ponder at least..

Seems like a shitty way to live your life. To each his own.

[Nochowderforyou]

Nothing wrong with being opinionated, but instead of disagreeing with it all, why don't you try and do something about it? If there are certain things you are against, then create a protest team or campaign of some kind. Disgreeing with it won't change anything. Without action, nothing changes, so if you want some change, then do something about it.

I'm opinionated about certain things like religion, and alcohol and tobacco being accepted, so when a cannabis petition or what have you, or a vote to move forward, then I take the time to vote or give my say on the whole thing. I am part of making the change, not just talking or getting angry about it. When the issue comes up about tobacco being legal and cannabis not, I take the time to give in my say and opinion about it that the people actually hear.

Coming on here will not make change friend. Change is what we need, I agree.

I read a story in National Geographic this morning about oil refineries in Nigeria. These people were poor to begin with, and now they're even more poor. Oil leaking into their only fishing waters have killed and pushed the fish away. The have outdoor slaughterhouses that are engulfed with tire smoke, as they say to loosen the skin, all around these oil plants. They live in wooden boards shacked together, with one of the worlds biggest oil plants in the middle. They're water is black from oil, and now they're main water source for drinking is in danger.

I am disgusted by this. They didn't even consult the villagers about putting in oil plants. You should see how the "president" or whatever lives. Leather furniture, nice carpeteting, nice clothing, heeat and lighting, and the people in the shacks, no heat and not even a proper door. They have insurgents now running around blasting off guns because black gold is now 90% of their exports.

There are issues in this world, and when the opportunity comes up to have my say about this BS oil, they will hear it.

Take care and don't give up the fight, but fight where the fighting is.

[Frivolous248]

Hi Swirly,

You seem like an angry person. I think you should consider some medicine of somesort. I don't want to offend you, but your threads bring the worst out in people. If you want some changes in government, then do so your way, but not everyone feels the same as you. Some of us are happy, and maybe you should to see why you're not.

Again, no offense, but life is too short to be pissed off.

Yo, he should be pissed off. He knows the truth. Maybe your the one with the problem, man. Why are you so content? Your positive outlook is bringing me down. (A comedian said something like this, not to take credit but I agree.)

Yeah, it really pisses me off that we aren't trying to replace our fuel as fast as we can. Why wait till it almost, or does run out? I think it'd be in our best interest to find a better, unlimited fuel source as fast as we can.

[Nochowderforyou]

Yo, he should be pissed off. He knows the truth. Maybe your the one with the problem, man. Why are you so content? Your positive outlook is bringing me down. (A comedian said something like this, not to take credit but I agree.)

Yeah, it really pisses me off that we aren't trying to replace our fuel as fast as we can. Why wait till it almost, or does run out? I think it'd be in our best interest to find a better, unlimited fuel source as fast as we can.

I'm sorry you're bitter, but you decide how to make your life happy. There are already too many angry folks in this world who complain and do nothing about it, so no, I won't sink to that level.

I already do my part in not driving a car, not consuming alcohol or tobacco, and not littering. I care for this world, but bitching about it won't do anything.

Don't rain on my parade because a few of you are bitter. You want change, then do something about it!

[chisme]

i found his rant quite informational actualy

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Yo, he should be pissed off. He knows the truth. Maybe your the one with the problem, man. Why are you so content? Your positive outlook is bringing me down. (A comedian said something like this, not to take credit but I agree.)

Yeah, it really pisses me off that we aren't trying to replace our fuel as fast as we can. Why wait till it almost, or does run out? I think it'd be in our best interest to find a better, unlimited fuel source as fast as we can.

We aren't running out of fuel it's just harder to get out. We only pull out about 25% of a wells oil on average. Its just not cost efficient to pull out the rest.

[Nochowderforyou]

Isn't the main oil source naturally created from the earth? If so, we will never run out, but we will destroy this word with pollution in no time.

What is it we can do about this? How do we as the public people speak to those in charge? Answer me that, and I'll be glad to help. When it comes to world problems, I seriously don't know what to do, but I know ranting and raving about it only gets people angry, so we need to find a way to get our voices heard.

Writing letters, sending e-mails, what?