Can someone help me wire a 'lampholder'?

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Yea, it's just a plain old closet that I cleaned out so I really put to use.

Annnnnd, I'm setting the timer so that it rests for 6 hours during the night. Thanks .


100% Grow area, but there are some ferts and bottles in there that I could move around if I wanted to.

I think it's about 72 inches long, and 23 inches deep, with about 64 inches until you get to the vegging shelf and about 32 inches up after that.

So.. 6 foot length, almost 2 foot depth, 5 feet of flowering room after the pots, and a little more than 2 feet of vegging room.

I got you on the vent, yesterday me and my bud drilled through the dry wall, on the *right* side of the closet, in that short little piece of wall that meets the corner. I have 11 small computer fans coming, I'll see how that works, I feel I will need one of those inline fans, though.

The scent was pretty bad when we were working through all day though, you could smell the little guy coming through the front door of the house.

But I have an ionic breeze in there now and it's much more closed up, so it's nothing.

Sadly.

Me and my friend were idiots when we mixed the soil for the seedlings in those giant potters, we used handfuls of blood meal and now they're all turning yellow and falling over.

I've already diluted one pot full of soil with some leftover soil in the garage, I guess I will just have to buy another bag though, and start all over again with those seedlings.

But...those are all bagseeds...mid grade bagseeds, I'm not really into that kind of bud if you know what I mean..I get the seeds from my friends, and I've really been wanting to order some online...so what I think I will do is wait until all the plants up top die naturally, seeing as the soil is just too rich for them, except for that one I just dropped in the soil today, which might just be a small loss, and then start flowering the one below with the 400w hps.

I'm not leaving that thing on for any extended amounts of time though, until I get the fans, because the thing gets so hot heat leaks out into my room and I can feel it.

So yea.

What I wanted to ask you though, how would I order seeds?

Can I use my credit card? Or ..is that a big no no?

I heard about some seed vendor leaving all his buyers records in his house, and then getting busted (READ: government funded terrorists descended upon his house with guns to take his stuff and ruin his life...:[), so I definitely don't want to risk that, but it makes me think that people just buy with credit cards.

I've ordered MOM before, and so I know how to be stealthy and go through money orders or debit cards and what not, but I just wanted to make sure by running it by you or anyone who answers this.

So, that's what I'm working with, and thanks for your help.

[Tokudai]

Hmm.. Do you rent or own? How long are you planning to stay there? Punching holes in drywall is cake, and can be easily and cheaply fixed.

The accordian door is a pain.. Personally, I'd remove them and get a standard pre-hung (w/jambs) door for that size opening fairly cheap. This makes it easy to seal and will eliminate your light leaks - plus you can put a lock on it if you want. If you rent, I bet the owner would hardly notice if you left it there when leaving, and if he did, put the old doors back on...

OK so then - 72 x 23 x 86 - are you trying to set it up so there is a veg room and a bloom room in the same closet? (ie do you want to veg your next crop while the current one is flowering to eliminate down time between harvests) Or just one crop at a time, all the way through the process? Is that door "in the middle" of a 72" wall, with equal spaces to the right and left of it?

I can almost guarantee you will need an inline fan, those computer fans are going to piss you off, you'll try and try and try with them, but wind up changing everything around for the inline fan. <----Ask me how I know Since smell is an issue then you will definitely need the inline fan or something similar, to work with a scrubber and maximize your ventilation/cooling...

I wouldn't use my personal credit card to order seeds, but you can goto a check cashing or money order place and buy a "prepaid" visa or mastercard with cash, and not need to give any ID. Postal money orders are almost always accepted by vendors as well. I'd recommend shipping them to a friends house, or other location where you are not growing, and put a company name or other name for the shipping address ( ABC designs. attn: Steve, c/o 123 main street etc etc) the post office/courier will still deliver due to the C/O in the address, but it "distances" the receiver somewhat. Make sure delivery does NOT require a signature - NO EXCEPTIONS

Keep in mind that to you CANNOT (repeat CANNOT) get in trouble for something illegal being mailed to you. You have no control over what people send to you, in your name or not. They would need to prove you ordered it (which is impossible since you didn't use a traceable payment method). This is not to say that the address you use wouldn't get "flagged" or something (say they recognized the sender or something, lying in wait til you sprout/grow), to check up on you in say, 60 days or so.. Which is why you use a friends address who is not growing.

Anyways lemme know your goals as for growing schedule - perpetual veg/bloom or one at a time - and I'll whip something up for ya!

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I own, but I just put those doors in. D: I don't know if I want to go through the hassle to change those. And yes, those doors are in the middle of the wall, with relatively the same amount of space on each end.

I'm working on the 6 inch inline fan, would a 250cfm work with a small scrubber?

I definitely wanted to do a cycle grow with a constant veg and bloom. I don't know about it now though, I'm thinking I'll have to get the exact measurements of that interior and then head out to lowes or somewhere to get a piece of ply wood cut, to use as a lightproof shelf, but even then, I'm going to have to seal that area between the interior shelf and those doors. Hmm, I'd need some weatherstripping for the edge of that shelf, methinks.

Thanks a bunch on all that help, and especially for giving me the idea of sending the seeds to a friends house, I couldn't imagine what I could've been thinking it planning on sending them here.

Thanks again!

Edit: I've checked out most of your grows, you seem to know what you're doing!

[Tokudai]

Hey no problem man - nothing worse than getting things setup how you think they'll work, and having to redo the entire plan. And thanks for the compliments on my grows! Too bad your not local, (or are you?) I could save ya that seed hassle!

To block the light, you can goto a fabric store and get whats called a black-out shade. Its got plastic on one side, used for blocking light behind draperies Get a piece big enough to cover the entire door opening, then hang it inside the closet covering the door - you'll need to "part a curtain" of sorts to get into the room, but as long as the shade is larger than the door frame you should be able to get rid of the light leaks on that accordian door.

Having the veg and bloomroom in the same closet, I forsee problems. First of all, the larger area should be the bloom room, since plants stretch and grow so much during the bloom stage. Therefore you'd have to contain the grow area inside the closet, to one side. This could work, with 2 correct size pieces of plywood, and some creative hinging, but you will not be able to work in the veg room when the bloom lights are out, and it will be tough to ventilate. Plus the veg room will have lights on when the bloom room doesnt - and any light leaks can screw up the flower cycle. But if the veg box is sealed well I bet you could pull it off.

You'll have the same type of problem with an over/under system as well - problems to vent and the possibility of the veg light leaking - plus not being able to work on the veggers except during the bloom light cycle. You'd need to open the accordian door, and basically, have 2 more doors right behind it - one high one low. This still leaves a venting problem for the bottom chamber, and how do you utilize the entire top area?I'm short, I could never reach..

The only way I would feel comfortable doing it like that is to try the first method, with a veg box inside the closet, and the rest of the space the bloomroom.

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Hmmmm, interesting.

I'm in US.

I realize all those problems with the vegging and blooming at once...

I was planning on cutting the top and bottom in half, by carefully measuring where that top shelf is at, and then installing (by means of dropping right in) a perfectly cut piece of ply wood. To create the light seal.

And then drop black and white poly both down from the ceiling onto the shelf, to block out the veg box.

And then down from the shelf to the floor, to block out the bloom room.

I've got that one plant on flowering as of tonight, hopefully it will be a she, if not, I'll wait for good seeds, AND work on the grow room BEFORE I start growing! XD

Ahh the power of our evolved ability to anticipate scenarios, what a gift!

I figure I will save a lot of heartache or headache by slowing my whole operation down right now, and working on what I need to get sleep at night, and make things a little easier in the long run!

The lights turn on/off at 8 and in a few days I'll get that inline fan, and keep the HPS on to veg, along with all those smaller computer fans blowing directly on the plant, which should make it(her!!!) happy(ier).

I'm thinking about your idea with the veg box inside, although I don't know how much that would fit, unless I built it, pulled the shelf out, and then had someone hold the thing up there while I angled and slid the shelf back in and set it the box down on top of it, sitting in the upper portion of the closet.

It might work, if I could only get smaller pots for vegging.

Silly old me likes to be stubborn though, and resist change. :microwave:

If I decide not to build an interior veg box, to house the fluoro, and the plants, on top of the closet.

Then I will probably think about that black out curtain.

I looked at that and turned away when I saw the prices, and figured I'd just end up buying something that doesn't work, I already have one paypal dispute going for that polyester as the seller guaranteed me that it would not let any light through.

So I might think about that curtain, right now it's not too big of a deal, I can sleep only a little glow comes through with the CFL's, mind you that's soft, a hot bright orange, and yet tiny, glow comes through the cracks with the polyester in place, with the HPS on.

If I could get that curtain, and literally hang it just like a curtain, and open and close it just like one, I feel that it would make entering the closet to move things around and tend, so much easier and less of a hassle than pull a big stubborn plastic curtain above my head each time.

The light cycle for bloom is currently in the day, so I'm pretty much fine with working on that then, as long as no irregularities arise and need immediate care during a dark cycle.

The polyester blocks light coming into the closet during the dark cycle so I may be good with that.

I may just end up doing a single cycle grow at a time, and waiting to move to a room, that I can cut in half with dry wall or plywood, to work on a more extensive grow.

Thanks for all the help, I'm stuck now in deciding where I will go from here, basically, it's all up to the little plant in there now, if it's a she, I will continue, if not, me thinks I will have some rethinking to do until I order those seeds, in order to make up for, and realize the value of all the blocks I've run into as of now. I believe I will fix all those before I continue growing. In the end though, if nothing works for the light leaks and separation problem, then I will just do a single grow at a time.

Thanks!

[Tokudai]

Where in the US? I'm in Washington..

For a veg room in there - with plywood, wall off , say, the right side, right at the door to 36" high - then all you need is a piece of plywood for the ceiling and then like 4 36" 2x4s or some wall toggles/brackets for the corners. You'll need to cut an access door, or hinge the side farthest against the wall, so it swings open to get in there. Easy to seal and light proof with some caulking from the inside, since you are using 3 existing walls, and there'll be thick 2x4s at the corners/edges

Use some cfls in the veg box, and either vent it to the bedroom by knocking through the drywall (did you already do this?), or, since the cfls wont generate much heat, if you zig zag/light proof the vents, you can vent the veg box into the whole bloom area. You can make the "box" to the right as tall as you want - say 36 or 40 inches or so.. the roof can be a shelf for your nutes and ballast and such, and you have the whole left side (2/3s) of the closet to bloom in.... This still only allows you to access the veg chamber during bloom cycle on though, and that veg box MUST be light tight when its on and the bloomroom is dark..

Ideally you could use a whole 'nother closet or space, or a small cabinet inside the bedroom, outside the closet. Just watch out because it can take over.. OK now just a little clone room/box.. Wait, I need a place to store my mothers...and another for the fathers....? What if I want to breed, now I need a breeding room...

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Ok.
Thank you.

I'll read this later.

I'm way to high/:thumbsup: :wtf: drunk right now.

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Ok, ignore the stupid post.

I'm in the east coast.

Yes, I knocked through the drywall already.

I like your plan. It's making me think. But ...the added working is making me sweat just reading. I was using one 4 foot cool fluoro for veg before, and that's how I got my plant all bushy at the beginning, and it seemed to work fine. I wish this wasn't so hard! Arrg.

I would have to get permanent smaller pots for the veg box. And grow about 4 plants in there at once. With ..hmm..maybe just a bunch of ...:] "lampholders" drilled into the ceiling, and dual bulb fixtures and then a bunch of CFL's.

One or two fans with a good vent coming out, maybe with a couple elbow PVC pipes facing the wall and painted black on the inside.

Hahahahahahah. Yea I Could see how I could continue expanding. But I don't think the people I'm living with would want that. Eventually I'm just going to take out a room, for the whole thing, seal it off from the rest of the house and just put it to work. Nothing too big, but nothing too small either.

Funny what you said about finding another space for blooming or vegging.

I have this dresser. It's pretty big, I could probably fit 4, 5 gallon pots in there, and do a small SOG.

But the hell with that, in anything I"ll veg the tiny bastards in there, and then load all the clothes that are in it, into the top of my closet, and then bloom them as huge as the closet will allow, while rotating another few babies into the dresser for vegging.

That sounds nice, and it would be almost the same amount of work as building a box for the closet. I'll have to think about this.

Just to re-cap.

Right now there's four huge 12'' potters from home depot sitting on that top shelf, with a 4 foot fluoro hanging over them, and turned OFF.

On the bottom there's the single 5 gallon adolescent currently in bloom, waiting to show sex. Right now, because of the heat, I only have a couple CFL's on the plant, in a few when I get the inline, I'll probably start flowering with the HPS, and hopefully this one will be female, just so I can get a little taste, even if it's mid-grade.

The light is partially blocked out. And for that I'm thinking either leave it alone, and just live with the tiny light leaks that are coming out (i keep all the light OUT, I just can't keep it IN) or buy a black out curtain, but I'm not sure that's going to work.

Will it work better than the black and white poly? Because that was supposed to be light proof, but it failed.

Aside from the light, I may build a box inside of the cabinet. A small one for about 4 small pots, and vegging plants, with a ceiling made of CFL's, sides coated in mylar, and a few small fans inside, with one small fan and a few elbow pipes exhausting and working to keep the light contained.

That might be nice, but I've never built anything in my life, aside from a few skate boxes/grinds from about 5-6 years ago.

On the other hand. I have this. http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/21/1003413am8.jpg

Which is about 33 inches across and about 35 inches tall, so tell me...do you think that would make a good veg container once vented and lights installed?

I could cut the insides out, all the drawers, but leave that whole face on, and just turn that into a door, or simply take out the back or one of the other sides or anything like that.

Too much work for something simple?

Once again, thanks for the advice/help, it's been excellent so far. :jointsmile: :hippy:

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Hmm,...... balls? Or will that thing swell up and them sprout a hair?

[Tokudai]

Hard to tell - looking female, but you should know any time now, it'll spit two hairs out

heres what I meant with the box inside the cab - it'd be super easy with 4 36 inch 2x4s, 2 hinges, and two pieces of plywood (one of them 36x23 ish) - less than 10$ I bet, plus a couple of bucks for a latch and weatherstripping to seal it, couple of black elbows, etc etc. That veg space would be 3 ft tall, 23 inches deep, and whatever the distance is to that right wall - roughly 2 feet? And would leave plenty of room to bloom in to the right. You could veg 4-6 plants in there pretty easily, although you are right, the 4-footer would not fit. You'd need to get some cfls and fixtures.

That dresser would work too - check its size though, it might be easier to build the enclosure

Anyways, happy to help ya out whenever I can - Hope shes a femme for ya and I'll keep checking in!