thanks for the direction to the cloning tutorial... im thinking that would be the best easiest way to clone for my financial situation at the moment. im sorry for bumping the thread I just like to get multiple opinions from people but the threads you have about cloning are very detailed and should prove helpful. I did flush my mothers pretty good yesterday and they are already looking better I just wish I had a well drawn out plan like the cloning on how to keep the mothers alive for a while and in good health. I think I should be able to peice that together with what Ive read on the forums. Thanks again!!