The Miracle of Death

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

why do people even BELIEVE in a hell? it doesnt really matter, people believe what they will, and fear, more often than not, controls us/them.

the fear of a hell, makes them believe in it, and the fear of a vengeful god is what often makes them create their own hell, because they believe they did wrong in their life. wrong enough to piss their vengeful god off.


the thing is WE are god, fractions thereof. GOD is nothing but everything combined, and you cant piss everything off lol or so i believe anyways.
God, if there is such a thing, is like the Tao. while i do believe in deities of sorts, i do not believe in a BEING with all powerful control over the universe. the universe is god, and all knowing, all powerful, but not in control of itself, rather all the individual parts thereof, the stars, the planets, they are who are in control.

the solar system is the children of the sun, who is a child of the black hole in the center of the galaxy...


all that exists is life, has mind, has body, has soul, and awareness.

the sun is the father of the earth, who is our mother.
the moon, our grandmother, the sky our father.


the connection is complex, yet simple.

comets and meteors fell from the sky, heating the earth, and leaving trace amounts of ice and water, as the impacts subsided, the steam cooled and condensed into the oceans.

the heat permitted the methane and monoxide and other gases to mix together and form new forms of life.



before, the only forms of life were stars.

they gave birth to rocks and gases.

gases cooled and condensed and became vapors and water.


fire, earth and water worked together to combine and create life on earth, leading to plant life, leading to air, oxygen.


and oxygen was the key to the complex life that exists on earth, ranging from insects to mammals.



i still dont know who/what the source of the stars is.


edit: i mucked up, gases existed before stars, they came together to create fire, stars.

lots of gases too, so many that it creates a diverse ecosystem in stars, giving them the ability to renew their flame. at least untill the firey ecosystem becomes unbalanced. then we get imploding and exploding stars.

but not without purpose, the death of a star can mean the renewed life of another star.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

why did i say all that? :S lol

[JunkYard]

lmao! That's great stuff, man! Why? I don't know, but your last post made me laugh, haha

Are you by chance pagan? You mentioned Tao, but I know little about it.. ..

[Polymirize]

Why would anyone create a hell, tho? If we are in control in the after, then why would anyone choose anything but the good stuff? I can see coming back in attempt to make change in the world, but creating hell when we are in control seems umimaginable.

I imagine some people believe they deserve it...

[JunkYard]

Could be?? I question why anyone would think that way, tho. I think this life afford us enough ill to last many other lifetimes.. ..

[afghooey]

Junkyard:

I still do have some fear of dying, I won't deny that. I think a certain amount of such a feeling is instinctual, if we had no fear of death no one would live long enough to reproduce and we wouldn't be here. But I don't let thoughts of death tear me up like they used to.

I think the thought of nothingness is so deeply disturbing and heavy because we are taught to associate concepts of darkness, emptiness and silence to it. But if we break away from these associations and look at nothingness for what it is, there really isn't anything to fear. 'Nothing' is just a symbol that doesn't point to anything in particular. It's not something that we will ever have to endure.

In the words of Shpongle: Nothing lasts, but nothing is lost.

Stoner Shadow Wolf:

I've been thinking more and more along the lines of animism, not perhaps in the traditional sense in which each object has a soul, but in which everything is alive. I remember in highschool biology we were shown a video that illustrated the many facets of life on earth, from single-celled microbes to complete ecosystems and biomes. I remember the narrator stating something along the lines of, "Although science has taught us much about life on earth, we have yet to discover the driving force behind life."

That struck me very deeply and I found myself very perplexed. That is a very big piece of the puzzle of existence that they claimed to be missing. But I think that, again, this is semantical confusion, that we've become tangled in our own symbols. LIFE does not have to be bound by its definition, by any prerequisites such as metabolism and growth. Rather than being some unexplained quirk in an otherwise dead, inanimate universe, I think life IS the driving force behind EVERYTHING. The things that we normally percieve as alive merely react to energy in a more complex way than those things that we consider inanimate, but at its most fundemental levels, everything is the same -- energy reacting to energy, reacting to itself.

[PatrickHenry]

Death is just a part of life, the fear eventually goes away with more knowledge. We are all part of the huge living organism that is Earth. When your dog dies what happens? You're sad and you say your good byes and recall all of the enjoyment that dog brought you. However, then you obtain a new dog, and that new dog brings you a new kind of happiness you would have never experienced without the death of your prior dog. This new experience is directly related to the death of your previous dog. ....

With the death of your parents, you watch your kids grow up, and then their kids. They just keep sprouting more love and achievements throughout the world. It's beautiful, be proud that you are part of the process! Remember the Buddha tells us life is suffering, once we recognize this suffering we are set free! Focus not on death, but the whole life of someone and what they have done!

[smoke it]

im exited to die. not in a suicidal way, but i really want to know if there is anything after this life

[hazetwostep]

we create our own afterlife, because the afterlife is nothing but our energy. when we die, we get full authority over our energies, and can use them to create a heaven, a hell, or a limbo, or anything else you feel you should create with your energy.

all energy is infinite in a sense. that a tiny amount of energy is all it takes to recreate this universe in your afterlife.

and you dont "spend" energy, you use it, mold it, change it to suit your needs.

in this energy case... since energy can be destroyed (though not through natural means)... can a person's energy be destroyed and make them void?

[afghooey]

hazetwostep... I like your sig.