yeah sorry to tell you dude, gta iv will be coming out on 360 the same time it's released on ps3...

i still stand by one of my earlier arguments.. why pay to play games online.. that's stupid... i mean people are always talking about all the extras that you 'need' for playstations (as of recent memory the fan thing to keep it cool) but here xbox, requires pretty much the same extras (fan aside) and they make you pay to play online....

there's no way xbox online is better than playstation online TO A POINT to where it requires you to pay for it... it's just another way for microsoft to get more money out of you (for those who are tryign ot say sony drains you for every dime they can)

and again.... we still have to look at one point.... 360 has been out for how long now? well over a year.... ps3 has just recently came out.. of course they're not going to have alot of good ps only games yet... most of them are just ps-ports from xbox games... just wait til this time next year, and wait for all the games that will be out for ps3 once the game makers have had a good chance to see what they can do with the system...

that's the one thing that pisses me off about this whole debate.... 360 has been out forever now, while ps3 has barely been out... of course it's going to be supperior in games...

as someone said earlier stats wise, the 360 sucks... which technically in any real debate, is all you can debate on.. there's no real ground for ps3 to have on xbox at this time... xbox had over a year head start! oh and not to mention (of course this part is my opinion) not only did all the games on xbox pretty much blow... (xbox only games.. not the oens that were on both systems and even pc) but it took them til the 360, and quite a bit after the 360 was released to come out with one decent game....

gears of war...

so games wise.. the only thing xbox has on sony period.. is gears of war... and this is even comparing 360 to ps-fucking-2...

like i said, halo was fun for all of about 15 minutes... halo 2 was no diffrent and i can bet halo 3 dosen't change anythign either...