Quote Originally Posted by tonydh21
I know their is on proof beyond emtion and love and life or anthing just being here. That is all I have to prove god is real and i don't mean god by the traditonal meaning i simply mean a force that is everything, did not creat but is. I am not taking the easy way out I have gave this years of thought and it is the only answer i can come up with. I am not puting god in by default but by understanding anything exsit at all and that life exist and that LOVE exist I have to say something loves us something is us something connects us some much that willing some one to better health makes them a little better or speeds up their recovery. Speaking in toungs, i did when i was 8, is exticy and unfakeable. The thing I remeber most about that experience is after hours of praying and then receving the holy ghost i went to micy Ds' and on the way i was talking to my mom and in mid sentence i started to speak in toungs agine , it was uncountralable and gave me joy beyound belife with every word. That is my proof, maybe if you reach for god, god will give you proof and god will if you wont it.
Fair enough tony, I do at least agree with you that there are many things beyond our scope of understanding and there's probably a level of consciousnes, quite possibly our own, that we have no achieved yet. Just remember though, our greatest knowledge is knowing where we are ignorant. Don't fall into the trap to drawing conclusions from mysterious events, just accept that you know what you know and the answer still lies beyond. I think you're thinking, and that's good, just don't be too casual about throwing the word "proof" around. What you have is information, and sometimes knowledge from that information, but seldom do we gain proof.

And believe me, I kept myself open to god when I believed in him completely and with deep devotion till I was 18. But when I consistantly saw that my prayers were ignored, answered at no more than statistical propability and never answered when I needed god most, I started to ask questions. I didn't get the answer I wanted on a spiritual level, but I got the anwers I wanted in knowing the truth. The truth, I have always held in the highest regard, much higher than my desired delusions.