My theory why god doesn't exist

[mrdevious]

Just wanted to say that maybe you are looking at "God" from the wrong point of view. Perhaps "God" is not an physical incarnation, or even a spectral incarnation. Perhaps "God" just is. People can perform scientific studies to prove anything. Even that you shit ice-cream.

Well no, I don't agree that scientific studies can prove you shit icecream, unless the scientists cheat by not following the scientific method and outright lying. But yes, you have some good idea's on god if I'm interpreting that right. My personal belief is that we form our own reality. After all, what aspect of reality has relevance to you outside your own perceptions? If a person truly believes in god, than their perception of him and the effect on the individual, is the same whether or not god exists. Therefor, I would posit that god's relevance remains the same in someones life regardless of his external existence. My problem with god arises when people insist that he is inseparably part of our lives whether we like it or not, and we will be rewarded, punished, and affected in accordance with one interpretation of him.

[Pass That Shit]

It's not that complicated. We are the only humans that exist is this entire whatever that we live in. Not only us, but animals don't exist anywhere outside of earth. Plants and trees don't live anywhere else but on earth. Everything that exists on earth ONLY exists on earth. Does it rain anywhere else besides earth? Are there bodies of water oustide of earth? So for all of you that keep asking for proof I say, LOOK AROUND. Are we not here? So why is everything only on earth? It's not that there's no proof (cause there's plenty) it's that you don't believe the proof. There is no fact that will convince an unbeliever unless God works in the heart.
It's silly to continue to debate evolution vs God, cause this debate is heavily one sided.


"Let everything that hath breath Praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD."

[mrdevious]

It's not that complicated. We are the only humans that exist is this entire whatever that we live in. Not only us, but animals don't exist anywhere outside of earth. Plants and trees don't live anywhere else but on earth. Everything that exists on earth ONLY exists on earth. Does it rain anywhere else besides earth? Are there bodies of water oustide of earth? So for all of you that keep asking for proof I say, LOOK AROUND. Are we not here? So why is everything only on earth? It's not that there's no proof (cause there's plenty) it's that you don't believe the proof.

There's a considerably more obvious answer here that you would be able to see if you didn't already decide to only consider what supports your presuppositions. There are trillions, upon potentially infinite planets in this universe. There will inevitably be millions of different environments, different distances from their suns, for the trillions of planets. Of these millions and millions of types of environments, you innevitably get some rare ones that are ideal to support life. That doesn't mean Earth is the only one, it means it is a rare type because it's only one in a million of the infinite planets that have life-supporting conditions.
To believe the universe is created to support life is incredibly egocentric. Life exists because the infinite variations in planet types will innevitably have a unique substance that grows in complexity due to certain action mechanisms. There could be aspects of existence in planets in other galaxies, that are just as complex as life or even consciousness, but not life at all; just something we can't comprehend. Though life is innevitably one of the most complex aspects in the universe. There has to be one.

Not to mention, I don't know how you can claim to know that there are no other life supporting planets when we've only closely observed 26 thus far (last time I heard, which was about 2 years ago).

There is no fact that will convince an unbeliever unless God works in the heart.

Can you not see the obvious euphamism this train of thought really is? You cannot percieve the proof of god, unless you already believe in him. You're saying that one should make a completely unobjective decision by already assuming that god exists before interpreting the evidence.

1. god exists.
2. lets take a look at the evidence.
3. the evidence points to god because I've already decided he exists.
4. therefor he exists.

I don't understant why you can't grasp the concept of interpreting everything to match up with your presuppositions, and why that doesn't work.

[Polymirize]

if you know all about one side of the argument but know nothing of the other nothing u say makes any sense because all u know is what you know. a baseball coach cant teach a soccer player how to kick better and vise versa, but if he has a backround in soccer and baseball his two cents would be worth something of value. everything is woven together somehow in ways we cant understand we can only show how there woven not who wove it or why it just is. thats why there are religons, people that have experienced for themselves some kind of order and feel that there must be something more. regardless if it be buddah god or whoever, there is no begining and no end it just is and gos on.

Likewise, if you have a poor grasp of grammer, you just end up looking like a fucking idiot. Regardless of the content you actually attempt to cover. Until then, just some highlights:

"... all you know is what you know" -- as opposed to?

"... his two cents would be worth something value." -- of course it's valued, at two cents.

"there is no beginning and no end it just is and goes on." -- Ah yes, the old "the universe is a run-on sentence" theory. How I long for punctuation...

[monkeyvato]

i guess the whole world is wrong and you guys are right!?!? Nonsens, GOD exists
its just your image of God that is wrong. i think you get a kick by insulting religion and it makes you feel secure for the moment. You have probably never studied theologi. God made herb. Bless him.:rasta:

[MastaChronic]

i guess the whole world is wrong and you guys are right!?!? Nonsens, GOD exists
its just your image of God that is wrong. i think you get a kick by insulting religion and it makes you feel secure for the moment. You have probably never studied theologi. God made herb. Bless him.:rasta:

hmmm, prove god exists.
i dont have to prove that he doesnt. the burden of proof falls onto the believers shoulders.
he may exist for you....but then again.....if somebody called you up and told you that they had a quarter pound and they wanted to give you a holf o if you went over there. you go over there and find out there is no quarter pound.
for that brief instance, that quarter pound was real to you.
do you get what im saying?

[midlifecrisis]

LIL, it's a bloody TERRIBLE argument! It is impossible to disprove anything that doesn't exist, because proof only exists in relation to something else that exists. If your logic is true, that the inability to disprove god puts him on equal grounds to the inability to prove god, then lets expand: There's a microscopic teacup floating around some sun somewhere in the galaxy, there are invisible jellyfish that fly around the universe playing metallic on their flute, there's a god named Thor who's a blacksmith and makes weapons for the other gods. Can you disprove any of these? If not, then all these theories and the millions of other ones I can conjure up are now equally valid and as likely as god or no god. But why don't we consider the invisible flute-blowing metalhead jellyfish just as likely? Because the inability to disprove them means nothing more than anything else the imagination can create, it's up to you to prove the existence, not for me to prove the non-existence.

DUMB ASS!!!! The jelly fish would obviously be playing Jethro Tull!!!

And it can be proven!!!! All you need is a 1974 RCA television, 500' of tinfoil, and a vacuum cleaner.

[Cautios]

Meh. I think that I agree with you mrdevious. My belief is that you make your own afterlife. Whatever you believe comes to pass, but it does not influence the fate of anyone besides you. Pretty open ended, yes -- and I have my own beliefs of what happens, but of course those are personal and there is no reason for me to list them.

[Garden Knowm]

God does not exisit, you are CORRECT..

BUT there is something that you can become aware of... Something beyond name....

Imagine you are trapped in a BOOK... a simple book... and YOU are stuck on the same 150 pages for 5,000 life times... and you don't even KNOW that you are stuck in this BOOK..... silly YOU, YOU think THIS BOOK is actually the entire WORLD.... and then one day you are set free from this book... set free from the same 150 pages... you are NOW free....

The only way to be set free is to consciously Awaken.. Consciously evolve...

The first step is to get a glimmer.. a taste of being awake. being free from the mind... ONCE you awake, you will not say things like.. THERE IS NO GOD because there is no evidence...

iloveyou

Vipassana can help you get a peak... or you can just stay in YOUR book... and slewep for another 5,000 life times...

Beware.. once you awaken YOU will know... and the KNOWERS are very very few... YOU are lucky to even MEET one KNOWER in your entire life time..

iloveyou

[mrdevious]

You can't prove or disprove God.

No offense or anything Billionfold, but haven't you noticed that this same argument, in fact this exact same sentence, has been stated about a thousand times in every thread related to this subject? And every time someone has shown why this is immensely logically flawed, nobody provides a response and then it gets used again... and again and again and again and again......

This is the difference I've been seeing in this debate. When somebody poses an argument in support of god, we can always counter it. When an atheist makes a perfectly logical argument against him, there's no response and the opponent then uses their already-debunked argument yet again later, without providing a reasonable explanation as to why the debunking argument is supposedly invalid.