A lot of people are hearing or interpreting "right and wrong" in what's been said. But really the point several of us have been trying to make is more about what's healthy and what's not. The pattern of "using" and victimizing women is unhealthy. And no matter what anyone says about girls putting themselves in the train-running situation willingly, the experts, polls, studies and research that's been done will back me up on this 100%. (There's been lots of research done in universities about later repurcussions of such situations, and for that matter, there've been plenty of studies of former porn stars who did gang bangs.) Women who make the choices to enter into situations like that are not operating from a healthy, whole perspective. They've nearly always endured some earlier form of abuse. And they're continuing to act it out in new ways when they engage in those situations. Admittedly, they may be entering into those situations willingly, but they're not doing so from a healthy mindset. Again, this isn't me saying this. These are the first-hand statements from women after they've been in those situations and the experts who've done in-depth studies of these women. Do you seriously think I'd be making such an issue about this if I didn't have some solid evidence to back me up? Do the research yourself and you'll find the same thing.

I believe in live and let live, too. But there are ways to do that that aren't at other people's expense. Ways to do that without hurting or using others. If you're just seeing this as a matter of right or wrong here, you're deliberately missing the point.