Supplements for flowering?

[xcrispi]

damn E ,
isn't it amazing what will grow in a 3in. netpot . lol
looks sweet
crispi

[latewood]

you might look into advanced Nutrients new product for blooming..."hammerhead" a suped up version of pk13-14...but only 25 bucks a bottle. I haven't been using anything for this, but I want to try ...maybe awesome blossoms myself. whatever booster I buy, I have decided to get one with a higher "K" content than "P", with 0% "N", because I have been reading that too much "P" can cause extra stretching, so I want to check it out.

yeah it is good to see Zandor back around. peace

[Weedhound]

Damn my man that is NICE!

[crazywill]

That's a real nice plant Mister E !!!!!

[MisterE]

Thanks, it's actually these two plants in this same 10 gallon container. (pic taken Dec. 2nd)

They're Online Grow Shop Aliens NLX. Supposedly Northern Lights crossed with White Widow, but I'm not 100% sure of that. Only saw it mentioned on another board. They were freebies.

I didnt train or top them at all. They grew under cool white flourescents for the first month or so and developed nice branches naturally. In fact on the plant to the right, several of it's low branches on the side towards the middle are 6 inches taller than the top itself. I'm struggling now to provide enough light everywhere, but it's really a losing battle since I let them veg too long for my setup. They had preflowers for about 3 weeks before I went to 12/12.

[JackdaWack]

liquid karma, im not a fan of dumping alot of nutes and supliments in, So you've been basically doing the normal, using calmag with R/o is good and the 3 part formula. LIquid KArma is really nothing but alot at the same time, gives good boosts in all cycles.

[latewood]

liquid karma, im not a fan of dumping alot of nutes and supliments in, So you've been basically doing the normal, using calmag with R/o is good and the 3 part formula. LIquid KArma is really nothing but alot at the same time, gives good boosts in all cycles.

Well kinda, and Not. Liquid Karma has humic and fulvic acid and the sea kelp which isn't in the rest of our basic nutrients. that is why I use it.

yes It has a full range of values, but the important elements are the vit-b, and the acids...peace

Yes Liquid Karma is a catalyst, and it helps keep you rez happy.

[latewood]

You will do better with using big bud, carboload, and/or overdrive. Big bud by advanced nutes is what I use and it shouldn't affect you negatively if you use it late, carboload is just a carb so your plant doesnt use it's food reserves and can therefore retain more weight,

and overdrive, (probably your best choice considering your timing) should be used during the last 2-3 weeks before your flushing week, this stuff is sweet it make your bud heavy, fat, and tall. You know when your buds stop growing after a while, well overdrive just forces bud growth down to like 2 or 3 calyxs.

good luck, The nutes above are all advanced nutrients brand.

I used to use all the AN line.* I had bud blood and big bud, and I still use overdrive. I used them all for a year or more. I no longer use all those additives, and my grows are healthier and bigger with lower ppm and without all then extras. So I saved money$$$ Another thing is: Overdrive is only supposed to be used 1-2 weeks...not 2-3, and be careful! everyone. Do not add alot of phosphates and potash continuously...the plants only need it a couple times in flower...at the beginning, and the last 2 (overdrive) weeks before flush. (wk 5-6) For me this is week 6-7f, because I only flush for 4-7 days.

*when I started a couple of years back I was convinced that AN was the way to go and the best, good quality nutes and additives... after many gorws I found that you don't need all of them. here is a list of all the AN line I have tried.
1,2,3. 3-part, copied from GH
4. bud blood, copied from dr rambridge bud blossom, thanks Z
5. big bud, one of a kind, good stuff, but you don't need it. Yield-vs-cost???
6. Overdrive...I get sticky oils that ooze out of the buds the last 2-3 weeks
7,8. ph up/down, doesn't matter who makes up/down
9. voodoo juice...AWESOME, but @65bucks a liter...can't afford it
10. Iguana juice grow/bloom Organic, 1-part. No-one makes an organic formula that comes close to 3-part chem nutes. pureblendpro is the best
11. B-52...good stuff, but I like LK
12. carboload. an excellent additive for adding girth. I haven't used it for a while as I was ironing out, through experimentation, the additives and whether I wanted to continue using. I no longer buy/use them all.

I am very happy, if not overwhelmed with results using less products and yielding more healthy plants.
One last note: If you follow the Advanced nutrients guide for recipe values you will most likely need to tweak your formula, because mixed with the values stated on calculator...PPM is consistantly too high!**

**this is the time you have read about when you would add all the additives you want to use 1st, then your true nutrient(3-part, whatever) until you reach desired ppm. Otherwise, to use all the additives at recommended values would lead to toxidity.

I love AN too, but I got caught up in the hype at 1st and you just do not need all that stuff. The point I was trying to make with the references to Advanced Nutrients copying other formulas is: AN makes a formula very close or just slightly different than all the other hydro-nute companies most popular products. Then they release them and claim the same claims as original company. All good quality, and some improved. The fact that AN experiments exclusivrly with marijuana in order to tweak their formulas is commendable, but this grower has determine that this fact can lead the consumer/grower being misled and cause newbs to be confused
.
1st off. Does everyone have a perfect environment in a sterile lab with all the wattage they could imagine? Well? No they don't...Few do! IMO it is essential to have perfect and accelerated photosynthesis in order to achieve and use all the nutrients recommended/high++ ppm. I truly believe that the strength of your nute formula and the health of your plants are determined by the amount of watts/light you are covering the plants with.

Well that's it. Sorry about the rant, but important info here:
If you want to know more, then you'll have to read up on the difference in nutrient uptake between plants with a little light and plant with a lot of light

[MisterE]

Good stuff, latewood.

So when I get my supplement I plan to do a res change. It's about due, so decent timing. Is it true that what I should do then is add my water, my cal mag+, the recommended amount of the supplement, and then my GH 3 part until I hit my desired PPM?

How about during top offs? I am adding nearly 2 gallons per day now on a regular basis. Any preferred top up method? IE: ro water only, ro + calmag only, full nute top up? I've seen several methods posted around the boards from respectable people (based on their grow logs and post quality).

Thanks for any additional input from everyone.

[MisterE]

Well I got my package of goodies today, so will do some math and figure out how many ml/gal of Awesome Blossoms I need before a res change later. The label indicates 1 to 2 ml per litre in hydro.