i like those ones like the platnums or Da Bomb blunts by Nate dogg; got a shirt of that by the way, says "get chocolate ty" on it; but they were always 2 soft N broke 2 eaisly, dont get me wrong, when used, they make fatt blunts and they have a lot of flavor, but i would have 2 go with the swishers! phillies 2 fat! Im still on N off wit spliffs. optimos n swishers r good, classics!