Quote Originally Posted by smoke it
2.why should we care? purpose? life= live----maybe fuck and have kids----then die. if there is a god, i will be more than happy to serve him and do whatever he wants me to do. because he is the creator. but here and now, theres no proof of him, so fuck it.

Cool. Camus once wrote that the only philosophical problem was suicide. Basically that the most fundamental question is whether life itself is worth living. If you've got an affirmative answer that doesn't involve a deity or god, more power to you. If you've got an affirmative answer that involves a religion, that's plenty cool too. If you don't think life is worthwhile, and have no good answer, then you're just wasting space and too terrified of what comes next.

3.all of those wars were started about religion (or religon was used as a scapegoat) i know that pain and suffering is part of life, but there would be less if religion wasnt part of it.

You hear this a lot and I've never understood it. On a level far more fundamental than religion, human psychology has always organized "in groups" and "out groups". Have's and Havenots. Families and outcasts. Even within the broad umbrella of a religion you'll see inter-tribe or clan warfare. Religion isn't responsible for any wars or killing, its some human potential for hatred of those who are different than us that is at work. And what scares me most about comments like the one above is that in labelling the problem as religious in origin, the fundamentalist atheists and agnostics seem dangerously close to creating a new ingroup for themselves. An enlightened group who can look down on those pathetic individuals who are to weak to stand and therefore cling to the comfort of religious beliefs. How do these two groups interact? How do you think they do?
All bold my own text. Just some thoughts...