It does take a few grows to get it down, now Blayzd- how are you doing your clones in dirt? I want to start cloning this upcoming grow and since you are having some good results I would like some step by step instructions or whatever. Peace out and damn your plants look good. I ordered White widow and BigBud but the damn custom agents or whoever took my seeds and just sent the empty package. What a bummer. I still have some Papaya and bubblicious left so that my next grow.