hi thanx for the replies, they are on their 9th/10th node, pic attached, the area of the room we'll be using for room foor flowering is 11 x 6 feet, but we have 3 other plants(lowryder) plus other seeds growing at the now, 10 more lowryders and 10 skunk haze, we would be happy at 3- 4 foot plants, maybe a bit taller. i can't tell sex at all yet, one out of the 10 has different shaped leaves, not many side shoots. no where near as bushy, i'm guessing it to be male, but i basically don't know how to sex plants until i see balls or pistils like i did on my lowryders, just goin off info i've read, so i could well be calling on some help again!