If God exists..

[GHoSToKeR]

..then why doesn't he prove it? He created Man in His image, so surely he can understand the complexities of the Human brain. Surely he knows that after thousands of years without proof, some of us are going to start doubting His existence. So if he proved it back then, why won't he prove it now? I mean, all he needs to do is give us one sign - one unquestionable, irrifutable piece of evidence - and all of us 'non-believers' will believe.

People say that He doesn't prove himself because we have to prove our faith.. But how can He expect us to have faith in Him when nobody has apparantly seen or heard Him for thousands of years? For an omniscient Being, that seems like a huge flaw in His plan.

"God works in mysterious ways". How do you know that? If He hasn't been seen, heard or even communicated with for so long, then how do you know how He works? How do you know He even still exists? Maybe he was some all-powerful being then, but what if he doesn't exist anymore? There's no way of knowing if He still exists, so it's a possibility.

According to the Bible, if we don't believe in God, then we're sinning and we're going to spend eternity in Hell. But surely, a kind, loving, fair God would give us the opportunity to 'see' Him, or how are we supposed to believe in Him?

If I were to say Elvis is still alive, you would ask for proof (when you were eventully convinced i'm not crazy), but if I couldn't show you any proof, would you still believe me? I doubt it. You'd want proof; you wouldn't be able to just take my word for it. So, without any proof of God's existence, why do people believ in Him?

The strangest arguement I hear is "But how did all this come to be? The trees, the sky, animals, you, me.. how did we get here?". Just because you don't know all the answers, it doesn't mean that whatever story you come up with must be the truth. You have no proof that God put all this here, and I have no proof that a Giant Blue Three Headed Penis Monster put all this here.. So why is my theory any less believable than yours?

Discuss. lol

GHoSToKeR Reviewed by GHoSToKeR on 11-24-2004. If God exists.. ..then why doesn't he prove it? He created Man in His image, so surely he can understand the complexities of the Human brain. Surely he knows that after thousands of years without proof, some of us are going to start doubting His existence. So if he proved it back then, why won't he prove it now? I mean, all he needs to do is give us one sign - one unquestionable, irrifutable piece of evidence - and all of us 'non-believers' will believe. People say that He doesn't prove himself because we Rating: 5

[Imotep]

yeah for sure.
why didnt he make the rules easier. he's not a loving god, he's a high maintenance lamb huggin bitch.
jesus and all his-you cannot come to the father but by me. bloody hell, if he created the universe in all its wonder sureley he could have though up a much better way to get into heaven. all this- do this, cant do that, fear of god stuff. why didnt he just make it that we couldnt sin?
oh yeah, the whole satan thing...
hang on, he was one of gods angels originally aye? why didnt he make them better? even god had quality control issues? the US/Bin Laden story?
And of course then we cant question god, its his will dont you know.
Nope sorry. Only an idiot would create the world and then populate it with images of himself that instantly turn evil and struggle until armageddon, to reject the instinct of the animal body, with flames licking their heels, the fear of god in their hearts.
Nope, if the same guy who built the miraculous world ran heaven, he'd definateley be sensible enough to ensure all his creation he loves, can comply with the dress regulations.
But no.
had to turn evil...
Y'know it was just to spice the book up aye.
The bible would be shit without all the stonings and crucifixions and child sacrifice and blood of lambs and giant blue three headed penis monsters. revalations something...look it up lol

[XTC]

You got some good points there. I believe in god, though I have never touched a bible and been to church once and another time for a weeding. Some people have had near death experiences and claim to have talk to god or one of his crew.. lol. My mom swears to this story and I believe her. It was before I was born and she was going through the loss of her mother. She was sobbing herself to sleep on night and she said she was clearly awake and sober when she heard her mothers voice and a light. The voice of my grandmothers ensured my ma that she was okay and she found her place in heaven and she did not need to worry or sob anymore cause death is just a beginning. Kinda weird huh. I think I had an encounter with faith once. IDK maybe just luck and not faith. A few years ago doctors thought I had Diabetes(spelling?) well to find out if I did or not they test you for like 5 hrs. Now somewhere during these 5 hrs I thought to myself in my head "god if I dont have this disease give me a sign. and the second I thought that some woman little casion hand held machine went off. Corny I know but it turned out I didnt have diabetes. Sorry if I was rambling its late and I am so tired....

[Encatuse]

I think if the giant three headed penis monster did put all this here, then he would fit the profile of god. Though not the christian god, close enough for me. Anything who can create something this complex = god.

P.S. This belongs in spirituality I would imagine. Those who don't wish to discuss such topics because they are... say easily offended, should have the option to not click on spirituality and thereby not see it.

[DojaDave]

One of my thoughts is that he does exist or did at one time and he created everything and everything has a part of him in it.

Another one is he just doesn't and never did exist and everything that does was created by some scientifical phenomina.

I've read a lot of stuff about multiple dimensions, string theory, the big bang, etc..I Think if the human race survives long enough, maybe the mysteries of life and everything else will be revealed, its really hard to think all this craziness is all circumstantial, I think something had to set the wheels in motion, wether its some form of god or some atomic reaction, who knows....I'm pretty much neutral on the subject for now.

[Imotep]

this is beyond god.
we are in his image. thats not really a statement you can have much confidence in based on the examples provided, but does explain the complexities of achieving an organised religions bliss.
the miracle of nature is beyond anything that remoteley resembles us in any heavenly existence or form.
wow stay with me-im losing my point lmao

[RESiNATE]

been to church once and another time for a weeding.

Is your church overgrown?
(I know it was a typo, but I couldn't resist - being the sarcastic bastard that I am

She was sobbing herself to sleep on night and she said she was clearly awake and sober when she heard her mothers voice and a light.....

On a serious note, though.
I would not disbelieve your mother's story - however, I believe that this experience is born of such a need to know that the recently deceased has 'moved on', that the human brain conjures up these 'voices', etc.
I meant absolutely no disrespect by saying this

One spends their life with someone, during which one gets to know about that person's thought processes, ideals, personality, etc etc etc - would it not be reasonable to assume that the comfort message (for lack of a better phrase) came from within your mother - a kinda self-preservation mechanism triggered by her own brain?

The human brain is a complex thing that we know very little about.
I believe that we humans are capable of so much more than we realise, but have forgotten how to do those things. There is so much evidence to support this; the woman who lifts her wreck of a car clear of her baby, following a crash, and even some of those feats of power that are demonstrated by certain martial artists, etc.
I had a near-death experience, but never thought of it as a religious event - I can't explain what it was exactly, and remain mystified as to what I experienced to this day...self-preservation mechanism, that kicked in to protect me from horrific shock?

Einstein, proportedly used up to 25% of his brain, whereas most people use much less - how was he able to harness that amount of processing ability, and we can not?

Most people turn to religion after having suffered gross trauma (loss of a loved one, etc), or have been brought up to believe in a certain faith (brainwashed from youth?) - and yet, no one has provided conclusive evidence that God (or indeed, any deity) exists.

However, I find myself in somewhat of a dilemma;
I don't believe that 'God' exists (in religious terms), or that the world (and Man) was created by Him.
I also have a major problem with Darwin's theory of evolution (how anyone can put forward a theory which lacks a crucial element of proof (ie, the missing link) is beyond my comprehension).
And the 'Big Bang' theory, imo, doesn't hold water either - there still had to be something to start the whole thing off, didn't there?

So what is the answer?

Religion is man-made.
It is something which preys on the fear of the unknown, and a need to find comfort in times of great stress.
I question God, everytime that a good person suffers - everytime I hear stories of cruelty - everytime I see the deaths of innocent people.
Is that 'the wrath of God'?...then, why is He so indiscriminate? Why not just punish the perpetrators of such evilness? Why not give a 'sign' to those that are in the way of Natures events (ie, eartquakes, etc)?

I don't have a problem with anyone having a faith - there are many people who live by the word of their God, who do not cause problems for the whole. In many ways, the 'essence' of religion is something that helps to curb those animal instincts that would otherwise boil over and cause much distress, and so, can only be a good thing.
I will listen to what religous folks would say about their beliefs, and enter into an intelligent debate about such things - but just because I don't subscribe, doesn't make me a bad person - does it?

I consider myself to be 'good' - I would help anyone, if I could. I have respect for Nature, and have an understanding that there are always consequences to any action (cause and effect).

So, I wonder what would happen if we all woke up one day, and every single one of us had no recollection of anything religious based...

I wonder what state the world would be in then.

I do not wish to offend any person's belief - this is just my humble opinion.
I do, however, get slightly miffed, when some people would judge me as something less than what I am, just because I don't subscribe to their way of thinking.

I don't need a book to know how to live my life, but some people do - each to their own...as long as those beliefs don't encroach upon my way of life


Res...

[Junkdogg88]

I Think if the human race survives long enough, maybe the mysteries of life and everything else will be revealed

Well, with all the things going on in the world today, I dout the human race will survive that long. On a long enough timeline the survival rate for humans will drop to zero. What I'm getting at is, we are getting to advanced for our own good, technology that is. We are discovering new things every day. And I belive that discovery is the rape of the natural world. Now we have the power to destroy things within a 100 mile radius. If those bombs(Nukes) fall into the wrong hands then were fucked. Nuclear Warfare is inebadable(sp). Its going to happen sooner or later. If the nukes dont wipe everything then radiation will. There will be a nuclear winter, all in all cancer will kill everyone. sorry for sounding so grime but im just telling the thruth


P.S. Sorry for rambling on

[notanovice]

people need hope
the belief in a superior being gives those people hope
as for bright lights, voices, out of body experiences etc. etc.
the brain is a complex organ and can do many many wonderous things!!!

if there really is a god???
may he strike me down now!!!
i`m waiting!!!!
i`m still here!!!
wait a minute, is that a bright light?
uncle jimmy, is that you?
fuck it, there`s no god in my world!!!
notice I said MY WORLD
which is MY OPINION

[clevemire]

I agree with you 100% there Ghost.

This is how I see it:
Science has an explanation for just about everything you can think of.

The religious try to pass off their ancient texts as proof of their empty claims of life. Oh gee, someone 2000 years ago or more wrote a story book. If it's that old, it simply must be true!

I love coming upon religious types who ask us that age old question "Well, if there is no God, where did everything come from? God created the heavens and the universe."
My response being "Who created God?"
Their retort is usually "God has always been."
To which I say "If your God could have always been, why can't existance have always been? The universe is enormous. There is no way to travel it all, to measure it all. There are billions and billions and billions and billions of miles of uncharted darkness out there, beyond what we can see, and it's still growing. There is hard scientific evidence of stars and commodoties that are well beyond the age of our planet and our solar system. So what then? Did God just sit around for eons creating different things at different times? Where is he now? Why was he all over the place back then, up to 2000 years ago, and now he is just gone? Why did he stop showing just about the time that the texts were written about him?"

There are other, older religions that have multiple gods. Zues, for instance. How come the idea of a god of lightning, among other gods, is rediculous to everyone else but who really believes in it? The muslims believe in Allah. Christians just have 'God' (they weren't even trying to think of a cool name like everyone else.). So in other words, different cultures have their dietys. Each one is just as believable, or rediculous, as the next.

As Res said. Religion is man-made. Dietys are just as real as the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny. Just on a much larger, and more fanatical level.

Neither side of the argument can state where it all started, or provide any proof thereof, so IMO, it's not worth worrying about.

I look at all religion as a cult. Plain and simple. I get on my knees for no one or nothing.