More death is not the answer.

[Psycho4Bud]

You know Psycho...I spent my morning watching CNN every weekend they show the Medical units and I watch hoping to get a glimpse of Tommy. I have been crying all morning. They were showing a young soldier being taken off of life support and Tommy was just telling me how he had to do that very thing. I turned the TV off then I turned it on again because I realized HE CAN"T turn off. I still had to mute it because I just couldn't take it. I feel so guilty for that. I have put my child into a situation that I could not handle. This is very hard for me and I don't understand YOU not being upset. I don't understand the way you so blindly except this.

I blame myself for pushing my son into the medical field. He wanted to be a cook. He volunteered at the Buddhist temple, he worked at the Owl hospital such a gentle person now maybe I have destroyed what he was. How can you NOT be having a hard time with this. My heart is breaking. When he gets out if he wants to buy a little Sushi bar in Central America I will be behind him 100 %...

I showed my kids the truth about their Government and OTHER governments because I thought it would help them in life. All 3 boys have said once they got out into the real world they were to SO happy to have liberal parents...and I LOVE being called a pinko commie mommy.. you will just have to deal with my anti war posts it is who I am.

my kids said they listened to what we said about the Governments, religions,
etc and of course it went in one ear and out the other they thought we were kinda nuts ...but it really feels good when they call and say you guys were so right...and they thank you.

The problem is by trying to get them to understand MONEY is not the answer and ALWAYS doing what is right is...they want to be in the Peace Corp, they want to be in the Service to be where the world problems are.

I am not going to feel guilty for that but I do feel that I may have encouraged them into dangerous situations because they don't buy the bullshit and they are having to deal with brainwashed nuts who think killing is the answer to everything.

You know it is not rocket science. You know in your heart what right and wrong is. Do you honestly think dropping bombs on innocent people is the right thing to do? Selling people weapons so they can kill more innocent people is WRONG. Killing is WRONG.

This is not about WMDs, it is not about democracy, or womens rights, so you can drop that crap! it is the same imperialist expansionism that has gone one for centuries!

The United States government beleives it is the their job or as Kipling said the "White Man's Burden" of bringing "civilization" to the other races of the world, whether they wanted such civilization or not.

There is no way you guys can dress it up or spin it into bravery. It is cowardly. It is wrong.


You do not create PEACE my killing innocent people you create control and that is only temporary..

Live the fanstasy I understand why you do it..Its the easier path.

I respect your opinions.....don't understand concerning the fact of your hubby and son but hey, not a big deal. Your right to your own thoughts.

Consider the U.S./Canada on the order of a Green Zone. Pretty quiet here compared to the rest of the world. Problem is, there are those that don't care for the standard of living of the Green Zone. We need people that will insure your right and opportunity to make these statements in a realitivly safe enviroment.

We need people like me and Bong to show the world that it's not good to piss on our boots and we need the BlueCats, etc...to show the world that there is compassion here also. (got that bit from SouthPark) It's true though.......

Keep up the good fight.....I will.:smokin:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Bong30]

Thanks P4B i had to get some diner....

I had beef burt ends, from the brick yard BarbQ....

Yummy KC style with pickles and sweet sauce.....


Since we are there it is our fault, they kill each other......

They didnt kill under saddam cause they would have been killed them selves........

so that makes Saddam the best for them....(lib thinking)





When will they put there dumb religon aside.....

when they are Iraqis first, before they are Muslims they will be done killing each other.

They are too dumb for that though........

[Psycho4Bud]

When will they put there dumb religon aside.....

when they are Iraqis first, before they are Muslims they will be done killing each other.

They are too dumb for that though........

See the plan for distribution of oil profits? Each Iraqi citizen will recieve an estimated yearly check for $3,500. Husband and wife would be $7,000. At the present their average yearly income is $1,500.

Now think about it. The average yearly income in the U.S. is about $42,000. What if at the end of the year checks in the sum of $90,000 to everyone of voting age with estimations of nothing but increase were sent out? MOST people would be VERY content.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Krogith]

Can't do much about the nations that have them but we can try to foresee future problems. Iran called for Israels destruction......not that hard of a concept on why Iran shouldn't have them. Which countries that you've mentioned openly did such a thing?
Israel has made countless veiled nuclear threats against the Arab nations and against the Soviet Union (and by extension Russia since the end of the Cold War). One chilling example comes from Ariel Sharon, the current Israeli Prime Minister "Arabs may have the oil, but we have the matches."

In another example, Israeli nuclear expert Oded Brosh said in 1992, "...we need not be ashamed that the nuclear option is a major instrumentality of our defense as a deterrent against those who attack us." According to [Israeli human rights activist]Israel Shahak, "The wish for peace, so often assumed as the Israeli aim, is not in my view a principle of Israeli policy, while the wish to extend Israeli domination and influence is." and "Israel is preparing for a war, nuclear if need be, for the sake of averting domestic change not to its liking, if it occurs in some or any Middle Eastern states.... Israel clearly prepares itself to seek overtly a hegemony over the entire Middle East..., without hesitating to use for the purpose all means available, including nuclear ones."

...[sraeli Foreign Minister] Shimon Peres; "acquiring a superior weapons system (read nuclear) would mean the possibility of using it for compellent purposes - that is forcing the other side to accept Israeli political demands, which presumably include a demand that the traditional status quo be accepted and a peace treaty signed." From a slightly different perspective, Robert Tuckerr asked in a Commentary magazine article in defense of Israeli nukes, "What would prevent Israel... from pursuing a hawkish policy employing a nuclear deterrent to freeze the status quo?"
.....Another major use of the Israeli bomb is to compel the U.S. to act in Israel's favor, even when it runs counter to its own strategic interests. As early as 1956 Francis Perrin, head of the French A-bomb project wrote "We thought the Israeli Bomb was aimed at the Americans, not to launch it at the Americans, but to say, 'If you don't want to help us in a critical situation we will require you to help us; otherwise we will use our nuclear bombs.'" During the 1973 war, Israel used nuclear blackmail to force Kissinger and Nixon to airlift massive amounts of military hardware to Israel. The Israeli Ambassador, Simha Dinitz, is quoted as saying, at the time, "If a massive airlift to Israel does not start immediately, then I will know that the U.S. is reneging on its promises and...we will have to draw very serious conclusions..." Just one example of this strategy was spelled out in 1987 by Amos Rubin, economic adviser to Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir, who said "If left to its own Israel will have no choice but to fall back on a riskier defense which will endanger itself and the world at large... To enable Israel to abstain from dependence on nuclear arms calls for $2 to 3 billion per year in U.S. aid." ....

....It is clear from Israel Shahak that Israel has no interest in peace except that which is dictated on its own terms, and has absolutely no intention of negotiating in good faith to curtail its nuclear program or discuss seriously a nuclear-free Middle East,"Israel's insistence on the independent use of its nuclear weapons can be seen as the foundation on which Israeli grand strategy rests."
According to Seymour Hersh, "the size and sophistication of Israel's nuclear arsenal allows men such as Ariel Sharon to dream of redrawing the map of the Middle East aided by the implicit threat of nuclear force." .... Ze'ev Shiff, an Israeli military expert writing in Haaretz said, "Whoever believes that Israel will ever sign the UN Convention prohibiting the proliferation of nuclear weapons... is day dreaming," and Munya Mardoch, Director of the Israeli Institute for the Development of Weaponry, said in 1994, "The moral and political meaning of nuclear weapons is that states which renounce their use are acquiescing to the status of Vassal states. All those states which feel satisfied with possessing conventional weapons alone are fated to become vassal states."

..... Seymour Hersh warns, "Should war break out in the Middle East again,... or should any Arab nation fire missiles against Israel, as the Iraqis did, a nuclear escalation, once unthinkable except as a last resort, would now be a strong probability." Ezar Weissman, Israel's current President said "The nuclear issue is gaining momentum (and the) next war will not be conventional." Russia and before it the Soviet Union has long been a major (if not the major) target of Israeli nukes. It is widely reported that the principal purpose of Jonathan Pollard's spying for Israel was to furnish satellite images of Soviet targets and other super sensitive data relating to U.S. nuclear targeting strategy. (Since launching its own satellite in 1988, Israel no longer needs U.S. spy secrets.) Israeli nukes aimed at the Russian heartland seriously complicate disarmament and arms control negotiations and, at the very least, the unilateral possession of nuclear weapons by Israel is enormously destabilizing, and dramatically lowers the threshold for their actual use, if not for all out nuclear war


Because the French went against the world community to make some cash....something some of the people like to ignore about the situation. Once a country has nukes.....games done. There All going to have one soon enouf. Lets start the plain that brings peace to that time.


OMG! So that's it? Radical factions believe that Allah wants them to kill all that do not follow the faith. Jesus says "Do Not Kill". Sorry Jesus.......These M.F.s aren't getting off that easy. 1. All Muslims don't want everyone dead. 2. Jesus wont let everyone who belives in him die, he wants you to follow his rules tho.


Check it out.......they could kill the power and send the entire country into the stone age. How long would the military follow their leaders if that shit happened? China wants North Korea to have nukes IMO

China likes Iranian oil.......do you really believe that China would have anything to do with Iranian philosophy? Yeah and what makes you think China wants Israel or USA to hold the oil power in Iran?


Iran currently have 11.5 million people marked for death.....what does that tell you? That the Jews want them dead also? Soon you and I are going to see Israel attack Iran and then Beg for our help. They will use mini Nukes on a nation that has no Nukes and not be able to handle the Retaliation.

More hate the USA Now than in 2001, I wonder why? Ah the Peace War. This War is going to be like the Energizer Bunny, and bring in huge Profit for alot of CEO's. These CEO's are the same pushing for these wars.

[Bong30]

Krogith you got to break eggs to make an omlet.....

and i cant make heads or tails of that last post....

[Bong30]

See the plan for distribution of oil profits? Each Iraqi citizen will recieve an estimated yearly check for $3,500. Husband and wife would be $7,000. At the present their average yearly income is $1,500.

Now think about it. The average yearly income in the U.S. is about $42,000. What if at the end of the year checks in the sum of $90,000 to everyone of voting age with estimations of nothing but increase were sent out? MOST people would be VERY content.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

I herd about that... why isnt the media....playing all the time?

Ill tell ya (all though you know allready)

Cause they want to put the american death count in your face and they only have so much time....so they go with the dead american stories...not the money for the Iraqis....

The left leaning media sucks......

:jointsmile:

[BlueCat]

Krogith you got to break eggs to make an omlet.....

and i cant make heads or tails of that last post....

HAHAHAHAHAHA why am I not surprised.

You are like having Kelso from that 70s show on our threads...I love it

[Psycho4Bud]

I herd about that... why isnt the media....playing all the time?

Just the nature of the beast. Which headline would see more papers?

BoyScout helps elderly lady across busy street.
BoyScout throws elderly lady into busy street.

Says alot about society as a whole. Good news doesn't sell.........

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Bong30]

No shit....


what if they reported like 10% more good news?

the average Joe (people in here are above average political IQ imo) would see that being there IS worth it....

I herd a general say the other day...

its not RECONSTRUCTION there is no RE, it is being built for the first time.

it is construction.....

we dont hear shit.....

[BlueCat]

I respect your opinions.....don't understand concerning the fact of your hubby and son but hey, not a big deal. Your right to your own thoughts.

Consider the U.S./Canada on the order of a Green Zone. Pretty quiet here compared to the rest of the world. Problem is, there are those that don't care for the standard of living of the Green Zone. We need people that will insure your right and opportunity to make these statements in a realitivly safe enviroment.

We need people like me and Bong to show the world that it's not good to piss on our boots and we need the BlueCats, etc...to show the world that there is compassion here also. (got that bit from SouthPark) It's true though.......


Keep up the good fight.....I will.:smokin:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

Really I guess that's suppose to be nice and all Psycho..but honestly you have seen his posts..his hatred, his racism, his name calling and you consider yourself in good company what does that say about you?

Trust me we do not need the likes of either of you if this is the way you think the world should be. You can't understand my way of thinking AND my being a military brat because YOU simply don't understand The REAL military families that have been in this shit forever. The ones that have had it with kids dying and losing their legs so the Bush twins can spend a few more warm nights in Rio and some other rich bastard can line his wallet.

The guys want to help those people in Iraq but the Sunni and Shia have been fighting for hundreds of years. You are not going to go in and convince one fraction that they are not descendents of Abraham or the other that they are not descendents of Muhammad.

You do not understand because you have not been surrounded by religion your entire life, you haven't struggled against a dictator. You make no effort to understand their culture. That is evident by the things you post and your support of Bong.

You expect our soldiers to go in there and put 800 years of struggle to rest and you think it can be forced on these people with guns. How deluded is that? These radical Islamics believe they are fighting a religious war for their souls and you guys reenforce the bullshit.

You just don't get it building a McDonalds and a Wal-Mart simply won't fix this one. Money won't fix it and neither will oil. The only thing that will stop the violence is to GET OUT.

Not everyone in the military are blood thirty killers like you guys get off on thinking there are many many past and present heroes... the bad guys are the arm chair warriors that really DON'T know SHIT but want so called "freedom" at any cost..You two would drop bombs from your lazyboys if they'd let you!

We don't have proper schools in this country!! Our education is some of the WORST in the world.

We don't have proper medical care for half this country. I know family after family that can't buy enough food to make it though the week.

I know college students that are eating out of dumpsters behind cafes and can't turn their heat on AND pay their tuition. We won't even go into the corporate raping of students and school books.

We can't even secure our own borders and you think we can do it in Iraq? Why should we? Why do you support social efforts in a country in which you hate the people and their religion? You guys are real patriots.
I want our soldiers to come home and start protectingTHEIR country we need them right here at home. You guys keep on supporting Iraq. I will support Americans. In case you have not noticed the majority in this country wants this war to stop NOW.