More death is not the answer.

[Psycho4Bud]

It would be polite to answer questions before posting more........

Have a good one!

[Krogith]

People also look back at history and think of how many lives would have been saved if the Nazi's were dealt with before WW2. Or do you think that we shouldn't have involved our asses their either?

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

So we didn't get into WW2 because of Pearl Harbor? As far as I know we didn't care about the Jews, it was good PR tho after.

WOW that reminds me about Iraq lol good thing we went after Sadam and it was for the Shi-ite people, Not because of WMD Sadam didn't have.

Your good at rewriteing history. Go Check out one of them History Books

Have a Good one my friend.

[Psycho4Bud]

So we didn't get into WW2 because of Pearl Harbor? As far as I know we didn't care about the Jews, it was good PR tho after.

WOW that reminds me about Iraq lol good thing we went after Sadam and it was for the Shi-ite people, Not because of WMD Sadam didn't have.

Your good at rewriteing history. Go Check out one of them History Books

Have a Good one my friend.

LMAO! And that's it for answering my questions? Tell ya what; when I check my history books you check out learn to read from your local library.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Krogith]

LOL.......do ya think that China would let Japan start producing nuclear warheads?and so when china gos to stop japan we have to goto war with China also? O thats right the whole world going to be Peaceful I forgot

No, but all we can do is our best and hope to hell we covered the worst possible scenerio. Do you think that Iran would be a safe nation with nuclear missiles? Do you think North Korea is? how about Israel? how about Pakistan?
I think no one shouls say that someone Can Not have them. Why should we if others can't? why should China or Russia for that matter?

Everyone? Why everyone? Someone that talks of complete destruction of a country and it's people.....we should sure as hell try.
Yeah and (the country thats being told it's going to be destroyed) should take care of there own problem with out the USA helping.
Why should Israel have nukes and Iran not?

Who's going to sell it to these nuts.....we'd track down the source and deal with THAT country with the same respect. THAT is why they don't currently have a missile. France sold nukes to Israel, so why are we not killing them both?


Because Allah protects the cause. Hell, their waiting for that dude to pop out of a well. What does that tell ya? Tells me they have Faith. I believe that Jesus is going to destroy all who pick up the sword, and that people need to start wakeing up that mankind will not bring peace.

There's daddys and children countries in this world.....that's Chinas' son. China also realizes that if they allow N. Korea to keep up the shit....Japan will arm in a defensive nature; the VERY last thing China wants. So If North Korea doesn't stop china will kill one of it's few allies? Or if Japan does then China will start a War with the Weaker USA who is spread thin ATM? You can't see how close to WW3 we are can you? You understand that China likes Iran right? Seems like if the USA keep what there doing up China will have alot more Friends.

You know China and Russia have never had such a good friendship than ATM. They are doing Joint Military operations.

LOL.......the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Do YOU really believe there is NO relationship between Iran and Al-Quada? A war with Iran won't stop it all but it would slow things up. Wait till they have a nuke and see what the number dead is then. You said it your self A WAR WITH IRAN WON'T STOP IT. Slow things up? Thats what I said, you wont stop anything just slow it down and possably make more hate you along the way.

More hate the USA Now than in 2001, I wonder why? Ah the Peace War. This War is going to be like the Energizer Bunny, and bring in huge Profit for alot of CEO's.

[BlueCat]

You know Psycho...I spent my morning watching CNN every weekend they show the Medical units and I watch hoping to get a glimpse of Tommy. I have been crying all morning. They were showing a young soldier being taken off of life support and Tommy was just telling me how he had to do that very thing. I turned the TV off then I turned it on again because I realized HE CAN"T turn off. I still had to mute it because I just couldn't take it. I feel so guilty for that. I have put my child into a situation that I could not handle. This is very hard for me and I don't understand YOU not being upset. I don't understand the way you so blindly except this.

I blame myself for pushing my son into the medical field. He wanted to be a cook. He volunteered at the Buddhist temple, he worked at the Owl hospital such a gentle person now maybe I have destroyed what he was. How can you NOT be having a hard time with this. My heart is breaking. When he gets out if he wants to buy a little Sushi bar in Central America I will be behind him 100 %...

I showed my kids the truth about their Government and OTHER governments because I thought it would help them in life. All 3 boys have said once they got out into the real world they were to SO happy to have liberal parents...and I LOVE being called a pinko commie mommy.. you will just have to deal with my anti war posts it is who I am.

my kids said they listened to what we said about the Governments, religions,
etc and of course it went in one ear and out the other they thought we were kinda nuts ...but it really feels good when they call and say you guys were so right...and they thank you.

The problem is by trying to get them to understand MONEY is not the answer and ALWAYS doing what is right is...they want to be in the Peace Corp, they want to be in the Service to be where the world problems are.

I am not going to feel guilty for that but I do feel that I may have encouraged them into dangerous situations because they don't buy the bullshit and they are having to deal with brainwashed nuts who think killing is the answer to everything.

You know it is not rocket science. You know in your heart what right and wrong is. Do you honestly think dropping bombs on innocent people is the right thing to do? Selling people weapons so they can kill more innocent people is WRONG. Killing is WRONG.

This is not about WMDs, it is not about democracy, or womens rights, so you can drop that crap! it is the same imperialist expansionism that has gone one for centuries!

The United States government beleives it is the their job or as Kipling said the "White Man's Burden" of bringing "civilization" to the other races of the world, whether they wanted such civilization or not.

There is no way you guys can dress it up or spin it into bravery. It is cowardly. It is wrong.


You do not create PEACE my killing innocent people you create control and that is only temporary..

Live the fanstasy I understand why you do it..Its the easier path.

[BlueCat]

The US media is virtually silent on a new scientific study that estimates the Iraqi death toll from the US war at 655,000. The study, conducted by Johns Hopkins Universityâ??s Bloomberg School of Public Health and funded by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, was posted Wednesday on the web site of the British medical journal, the Lancet.

The study is the only systematic estimate of the number of Iraqi civilians and military personnel to have died as a result of the US invasion and occupation to be brought to the attention of the American and international public.

Unlike previous estimates, which were based on reviews of media reports or tallies made by the US-backed Iraqi government, the Johns Hopkins study was carried out by Iraqi physicians who interviewedâ??often at great personal riskâ??nearly 2,000 families spread across the country, utilizing standard and widely used statistical methods to arrive at an objective estimate of the death toll from the war and occupation.
The vast majority of the reported deaths were substantiated by death certificates.
The study concluded with a 95 percent degree of certainty that the number of â??excess deathsâ?� in Iraq since the invasionâ??the number of people who have died in excess of the number that would be expected on the basis of pre-invasion mortality ratesâ??is between 393,000 and 943,000. The figure of 655,000 is given as the most likely number. This represents an astonishing 2.5 percent of the entire Iraqi population.

The researchers further estimated that about 600,000 of the deaths were due to violence in some form, including gunshots, air strikes and bombings. They concluded that US and allied military forces directly caused at least 31 percentâ??or 186,000â??of the violent deaths.

Some 336,000 people, or 56 percent of those killed in violent actions since the invasion, died from gunshot wounds. The study also found that the number of violent deaths in Iraq has steadily increased every year since the invasion. In the period from June 2005 to June 2006, the researchers found a nearly four-fold increase in the mortality rate relative to pre-invasion levels.

There can be no legitimate doubts about the credibility of the study. Lancet is one of the oldest and most prestigious peer-reviewed medical publications in the world. The Johns Hopkins public health school is the largest in the world, and regularly ranks as the top public health school in the United States. The journal article was reviewed and approved for publication by four independent scientific experts in the area.

It is difficult to overestimate the significance of the report, even if one assumes its low-end estimate of 393,000 Iraqi deaths to be correct.

It demonstrates that the American intervention in Iraq has produced a social and humanitarian catastrophe of historical dimensions, with vast political implications not only in the Middle East, but throughout the world and, above all, in the United States itself.

http://www.thelancet.com/search/resu...&Submit=Search

[Bong30]

70% killed by iraqis.....

[Krogith]

70% killed by iraqis.....

So that makes it ok? Your sick.

What what the death rate with Sadam in charge?

At least then they hated Sadam now they Hate USA.

Keep pokeing the Nest, Bongo your going to get stung

[BlueCat]

70% killed by iraqis.....

No 70% were killed by insurgents drawn in to the battle by the US OCCUPATION...

We will always remember. We will always be proud. We will always be prepared, so we may always be free

I just love your quote..if you are so fucking FREE then roll you a big joint and take a walk into town!!
Or plant a few nice cannabis plants in your front yard and while you're at it hop in your car and drive across the Canadian border and grab us a few cuban cigars...I'll take a few bottles of tylenol w codiene too

lets just see how FREE you REALLY are. :jointsmile: You'd be labeled a terrorist by nightfall.

Anyone want to take bets? Come one Bong lets see what ya got Mr. Freedom..

[Psycho4Bud]

No, but all we can do is our best and hope to hell we covered the worst possible scenerio. Do you think that Iran would be a safe nation with nuclear missiles? Do you think North Korea is? how about Israel? how about Pakistan?
I think no one shouls say that someone Can Not have them. Why should we if others can't? why should China or Russia for that matter?

Can't do much about the nations that have them but we can try to foresee future problems. Iran called for Israels destruction......not that hard of a concept on why Iran shouldn't have them. Which countries that you've mentioned openly did such a thing?

Everyone? Why everyone? Someone that talks of complete destruction of a country and it's people.....we should sure as hell try.
Yeah and (the country thats being told it's going to be destroyed) should take care of there own problem with out the USA helping.
Why should Israel have nukes and Iran not?

Because the French went against the world community to make some cash....something some of the people like to ignore about the situation. Once a country has nukes.....games done.

Who's going to sell it to these nuts.....we'd track down the source and deal with THAT country with the same respect. THAT is why they don't currently have a missile. France sold nukes to Israel, so why are we not killing them both?

LOL.......don't get me started on France!


Because Allah protects the cause. Hell, their waiting for that dude to pop out of a well. What does that tell ya? Tells me they have Faith. I believe that Jesus is going to destroy all who pick up the sword, and that people need to start wakeing up that mankind will not bring peace.

OMG! So that's it? Radical factions believe that Allah wants them to kill all that do not follow the faith. Jesus says "Do Not Kill". Sorry Jesus.......These M.F.s aren't getting off that easy.

There's daddys and children countries in this world.....that's Chinas' son. China also realizes that if they allow N. Korea to keep up the shit....Japan will arm in a defensive nature; the VERY last thing China wants. So If North Korea doesn't stop china will kill one of it's few allies?

Check it out.......they could kill the power and send the entire country into the stone age. How long would the military follow their leaders if that shit happened?

Or if Japan does then China will start a War with the Weaker USA who is spread thin ATM? You can't see how close to WW3 we are can you? You understand that China likes Iran right? Seems like if the USA keep what there doing up China will have alot more Friends.

China likes Iranian oil.......do you really believe that China would have anything to do with Iranian philosophy?

You know China and Russia have never had such a good friendship than ATM. They are doing Joint Military operations.

LOL......they have in the past and if I recall correctly Russia got screwed every time.

LOL.......the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Do YOU really believe there is NO relationship between Iran and Al-Quada? A war with Iran won't stop it all but it would slow things up. Wait till they have a nuke and see what the number dead is then. You said it your self A WAR WITH IRAN WON'T STOP IT. Slow things up? Thats what I said, you wont stop anything just slow it down and possably make more hate you along the way.

Iran currently have 11.5 million people marked for death.....what does that tell you?

More hate the USA Now than in 2001, I wonder why? Ah the Peace War. This War is going to be like the Energizer Bunny, and bring in huge Profit for alot of CEO's.

I recall the same thing at the end of the Reagan days. The world hated us.......oh well. Why don't they just cut off trade if we're doing so many bad things? What other country in the world is ran in an order just to please everyone else? It's tough to be the big dog........ya get alot more knats.

Thanks for the reply by the way..:rasta:

Have a good one!:jointsmile: