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[MisterE]

Would it be fair to say that if you dont have the capability to examine the trichomes, then of course you need to look for the next best indicator?

Seems as simple as that to me anyway. The precision instrument, microscope, makes for a more precise measurement.

MisterE Reviewed by MisterE on 01-13-2007. Almost Done Need Help How do I know when my babies are done blooming? What are the things I need to look for please be specific I'm in the 8th week of blooming? Should I use distill water for a week now and than chop it done as in no more nutrients? And Can I chop down the branches that are done or I have to chop the whole thing down? I'm sorry this is my first grow and I'm almost done I'm so excited. Rating: 5

[mackSwell]

Zandor -

Ugh... Shovelling. I feel your pain. I used to live in northern New York State.

Good topic for "a show"? I am unfamiliar with this phrase. But I'm game, whatever it is probably... As long as it doesn't involve me flashing my 'girls' for beads. I did enough of that in New Orleans. *smirk*

Unmeg -

I also agreed with Zandor on this point:

Yes - Trichomes are the indicator for HARVEST time.

MisterE -

I think of the pistil-change as more of an alert that blooming is ending and it is time to check on those trichs. A decent magnifying glass ought to do the 'trich'...

[HighSeekerz]

Allright, well ya'll do whatever ya'll gotta do today. No snow here, just some light ice. I am going to try to find me a decent lighted 30x magnifying glass somewhere close by... Then I am going to go check my babies trichomes (not pixels) and see how they look. I am growing bag seeds, so I dont really know what strain they might be, but they look healthy and are at 64 days flower on 12/12. I have been flushing straight PHed water for 5 days in the GH grow buckets. I might chop them and see how they are if the trichomes look like they are past their prime. (I was hoping to flush a little longer!)

[Zandor]

MackSwell

Robert Clark said a very long time ago that the pistils can and will change color due to temperature, Humidity and even to minor environment change. So that says they are only an early indicator that the sex life of the plant is coming to an end and not necessary the maturation of the plants cycle of life.

I have read most of what KP posted and 90% of it is old news plagiarized from many other sources. Problem when you plagiarize is you may be passing on not only old news but rather incorrect information and spreading the wrong message or even incorrect information. I am not saying KP is guilt of anything; but rather the source was. Some is spot on and others are just flat wrong and have been disproved many times many years ago. I will not debate that today, just thinking about all the incorrect information out there gives me a head ach.

Our understanding of this great plant is always changing but the basic principle is here to stay.
The cycle of life is well understood so there is not much room for debate there.

You are saying that using the pistils can tell you when to start looking at the Trichomes but you should harvest by the Trichomes if you want true peak harvest then that is correct and I will give you that.

Using the pistils to set the time table to harvest is in-correct and not accurate so providing that type of misinformation is only spreading the wrong message to new growers.

Robert Clark and even Mell Franks, Jorge, Ed and others that have been around the block more then once all agree that there is no proof to date and at best only anecdotal evidence that prolonged dark may increase THC.

The whole idea of the dark period is very old; and with over 30 years of personal observation; I have noticed with my own eyes that it does look like there are more Trichomes but they are not more of them they are just pointing differently. The problem is that in the dark period there are many axons being produce that are only produced in the dark cycle and they boost the CBC as well. You are after the THC and not the CBC and there is a direct coloration between THC, delta9, CBC, CBN as well as others.

There is yet another study on going in the Netherlands that is trying to answer this question but they are finding that more of the CBC, CBN and about 25 other compounds’ found in the plant can interfere with THC production. I do not know when they will publish their findings but I assume it is still years away. There are still no conclusions and only more questions.

This plant is all about the Cycle of Life that it goes through and if you learn the little things about this plant you can grow larger, fatter, heaver buds but it’s all about the Cycle of Life of the plant.

You do know you can dry up pistils and with cool temperatures and dry humidity at an early cycle then normal for the plant? If it's early enough you can get the plant to turn hermie as well. That is when the plant feels that its life is coming to an end and it has not reproduced yet so life will find a way to survive. Hermies’ are that way to survive.

Most hermie plants are from excess heat but they can also be from an early forced sexual maturity of the plant and the pistils drying up to early as well.


When I said it would make a good show…..I guess I assumed you read my sig line about my podcast show on growing I have been doing for a while now.

[dusto2k3]

radio shack has a 60x-100x glass that is great and only about $10

http://www.radioshack.com/search/ind...d%20Microscope

[mackSwell]

Zandor,

Ah... Podcast show.
Show away... Let me know if I can be helpful, even if it is as the Designated Dummy. *grin*

Dark: So do you think it is ill-advised to go dark at the end due to the CBC increase? I suppose if one were planning to water cure, that might be less of a factor (if CBC is one of the water soluables... I'm not sure if it is). But we don't want to gunk up our high with miscellaneous cannabinoids.

Pistils: I think we are actually in agreement on this. *chuckle*

About them drying up early... Yes, I've seen this happen. But I'm wondering if they ever dry up late - As in, by the time once notices changes in the pistils, peak trichs have passed? If this is a possible scenario under certain conditions, then pistils should be completely disregarded as a sign of the end of blooming/plant sex life.

You make an excellent point about disseminating information that is less-than-accurate. Hopefully folks will read my whole post (that trichs are key) and not start chopping immature buds based upon the pistils alone... I'd hate to contribute to any wasteful weed practices! *horrified look*

As for that headache... *passes you a tasty smoke*

[Zandor]

Zandor,

Ah... Podcast show.
Show away... Let me know if I can be helpful, even if it is as the Designated Dummy. *grin*

Dark: So do you think it is ill-advised to go dark at the end due to the CBC increase? I suppose if one were planning to water cure, that might be less of a factor (if CBC is one of the water soluables... I'm not sure if it is). But we don't want to gunk up our high with miscellaneous cannabinoids.

Pistils: I think we are actually in agreement on this. *chuckle*

About them drying up early... Yes, I've seen this happen. But I'm wondering if they ever dry up late - As in, by the time once notices changes in the pistils, peak trichs have passed? If this is a possible scenario under certain conditions, then pistils should be completely disregarded as a sign of the end of blooming/plant sex life.

You make an excellent point about disseminating information that is less-than-accurate. Hopefully folks will read my whole post (that trichs are key) and not start chopping immature buds based upon the pistils alone... I'd hate to contribute to any wasteful weed practices! *horrified look*

As for that headache... *passes you a tasty smoke*

Thanks for the smoke.....:jointsmile:

To answer you Q: Yes it is possible that a large percentage of the pistils may never change color or die off. Nature will always find a way to survive.

For example in KBS growing you keep the RH humidity for the first part of the flower cycle. You don't start dropping it until the last month so that means that the temperature will keep most of the pistils viable even to the end of the last week before they die off. You do get a few colors in your buds and that does look cool. I assume other growing styles can keep the pistils viable to the end as well but it's the true KBSers that have it down to a science.

[mackSwell]

Okay folks - You got it here: Once you've gotten past the rhapsodic thrill of spotting the pistils & sexing your plant, IGNORE THEM!

Even if they put on a Suess-esque hat and flamenco dance for you, singing,

[align=center]"Harvest time is here, joyous smoke is near!"[/align]

[align=right]...It doesn't mean jack

(except perhaps that you've been smoking some hella-good weed).
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[unmeg]

radio shack has a 60x-100x glass that is great and only about $10

http://www.radioshack.com/search/ind...d%20Microscope

OMG That sure is a Arrogant Bastard in your avatar!!!!!!!!!
Herse some Bubba for ya

[Zandor]

Okay folks - You got it here: Once you've gotten past the rhapsodic thrill of spotting the pistils & sexing your plant, IGNORE THEM!

Even if they put on a Suess-esque hat and flamenco dance for you, singing,


[align=center]"Harvest time is here, joyous smoke is near!"[/align]

...It doesn't mean jack

(except perhaps that you've been smoking some hella-good weed).

[align=right]

*grin*

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Well that is closer to right then some may know....lol

Just think about what is to come soon is about what they can tell you.

Happy growing all