are there infinite universes?

[MastaChronic]

what is outside of the universe?
the universe is ever expanding, but what is outside of it?
materials are made up of atoms and we all know atoms have empty space between them, and inside the atom there is electrons and protons and nuclei, but there is still empty space.
size is infinite.
is our universe contained within a single atom on a blade of grass in some cosmic vacant lot containing an infinite number of other universes?
but there must be an end to amount of universes?
the finite mind cannot comprehend the infinite, it can only think it can.
is there some convergance point where the infinite universes merge?
could this be god?
but if this was god, how could it be watching over humans selectively while there are an infinite amount of other universes?
could it be that this god figure is infinite as well?
but how could a singularity be infinite?
when we burn a log for fire do we destroy countless other universes?
what about this universe?
what happens when the cosmic vacant lot dries up?
does this world dry up and become an arid desert wasteland?

MastaChronic Reviewed by MastaChronic on 01-08-2007. are there infinite universes? what is outside of the universe? the universe is ever expanding, but what is outside of it? materials are made up of atoms and we all know atoms have empty space between them, and inside the atom there is electrons and protons and nuclei, but there is still empty space. size is infinite. is our universe contained within a single atom on a blade of grass in some cosmic vacant lot containing an infinite number of other universes? but there must be an end to amount of universes? the finite Rating: 5

[delusionsofNORMALity]

but-

as it was once explained to me, the universe is merely a pimple on god's ass. some day the sucker is gonna sit down a little too hard and

pop goes reality!

[Matt the Funk]

It doesn't really even matter.

[MastaChronic]

It doesn't really even matter.

to me it matters.
i maintain a philosophy of questioning most everything to gain an understanding of what i can and this is something that piques my interest

[hazetwostep]

i hear you mastachronic... i think you are on to it... thinking of an infinite universe is like thinking about god, simply impossible for a human, finite mind to grasp...

[Herbal]

what is outside of the universe?
the universe is ever expanding, but what is outside of it?
materials are made up of atoms and we all know atoms have empty space between them, and inside the atom there is electrons and protons and nuclei, but there is still empty space.
size is infinite.
is our universe contained within a single atom on a blade of grass in some cosmic vacant lot containing an infinite number of other universes?
but there must be an end to amount of universes?
the finite mind cannot comprehend the infinite, it can only think it can.
is there some convergance point where the infinite universes merge?
could this be god?
but if this was god, how could it be watching over humans selectively while there are an infinite amount of other universes?
could it be that this god figure is infinite as well?
but how could a singularity be infinite?
when we burn a log for fire do we destroy countless other universes?
what about this universe?
what happens when the cosmic vacant lot dries up?
does this world dry up and become an arid desert wasteland?

Alot of your questions are just some basic physics. I suggest you go pick up a copy of a "Brief history of time" by Stephan Hawking.
As for some other questions, i will answer some.
How can a singularity be infinite? Think about our universe. Hubble proved back in the 1920's that the universe was expanding apart. If the universe was expanding apart, it must have been closer at some point in the past. This is known as the Big Bang, when all the matter in the universe exploded from one singularity. In the distant future, the universe may collapse into the big crunch when all this matter will come smashing back together.
In black holes, if the singularity with all the mass was finite, meaning it had definition of size, it would not be a singularity. It would be this ball of mass with a radius and measurement. Instead a singularity is without size and is thus its mass must be infinite.
When you burn a log, I highly doubt your destroying some civilization in some random universe. Besides, even if you did, they would have a totally separate definition of time. Your 1 second could be 10 billion years for them if they did exist.
As far as our vacant lot drying up, I highly doubt it will ever happen. Even in the vacuum of space in the middle of nowhere, tiny quarks form making particles and anti-particles in equal ratio from risidual energy. These two particles are then attracted by gravity and annihilate one another in a brilliant display of energy. That energy then reforms as a particle and an anti-particle.
Go read some books and educate your mind.

[MastaChronic]

Alot of your questions are just some basic physics. I suggest you go pick up a copy of a "Brief history of time" by Stephan Hawking.
As for some other questions, i will answer some.
How can a singularity be infinite? Think about our universe. Hubble proved back in the 1920's that the universe was expanding apart. If the universe was expanding apart, it must have been closer at some point in the past. This is known as the Big Bang, when all the matter in the universe exploded from one singularity. In the distant future, the universe may collapse into the big crunch when all this matter will come smashing back together.
In black holes, if the singularity with all the mass was finite, meaning it had definition of size, it would not be a singularity. It would be this ball of mass with a radius and measurement. Instead a singularity is without size and is thus its mass must be infinite.
When you burn a log, I highly doubt your destroying some civilization in some random universe. Besides, even if you did, they would have a totally separate definition of time. Your 1 second could be 10 billion years for them if they did exist.
As far as our vacant lot drying up, I highly doubt it will ever happen. Even in the vacuum of space in the middle of nowhere, tiny quarks form making particles and anti-particles in equal ratio from risidual energy. These two particles are then attracted by gravity and annihilate one another in a brilliant display of energy. That energy then reforms as a particle and an anti-particle.
Go read some books and educate your mind.

the fuck makes you think i havent?
this is not meant to be about physics, this is meant to be a philosophical debate. thinking outside of the box. thinking outside of what science has suggested.
what you have described are theoretical physics, that is, they are theories and arent proven. some of the things youve described(anti-matter) have been proven to exist. as for the big bang, theory.
so.....fook ooff

[peacetrain]

i hear you mastachronic... i think you are on to it... thinking of an infinite universe is like thinking about god, simply impossible for a human, finite mind to grasp...

People used to say the same thing about a variety of philosophical or scientific conundrums that are now very simple to grasp (for most of us). If we continue to put the word finite mind next to human...we're making ourselves finite. I don't think god/lack of god or the infinite universe are necessarily outside the realm of human comprehension or understanding...forever, anyways.

As for the original question...I too would suggest Hawking...you say "theory" as if it's something that scientists just came up with off the top of their heads after a night of heavy drinking. Substantial evidence is required for any theory. Theories of physics are the best answer humans have at this point in time. Our understanding of how our universe was created expands every day.

And the Big Bang's intention isn't to solve the problem of what happened before the singularity, it's basically just saying that, like most things we perceive, something complex comes from something simple, not the reverse. Not sure how familiar you are with string theory/M theory...but those helped me out a lot.

And yeah, our entire universe could be on the "blade of grass" of some other universe. We have no idea where we fall into the entire cosmic scope because it hasn't been/can't be entirely explored yet...but we already are getting the sense that we're pretty damn small. Then again, big and small is really only in the reference point.

[MastaChronic]

People used to say the same thing about a variety of philosophical or scientific conundrums that are now very simple to grasp (for most of us). If we continue to put the word finite mind next to human...we're making ourselves finite. I don't think god/lack of god or the infinite universe are necessarily outside the realm of human comprehension or understanding...forever, anyways.

As for the original question...I too would suggest Hawking...you say "theory" as if it's something that scientists just came up with off the top of their heads after a night of heavy drinking. Substantial evidence is required for any theory. Theories of physics are the best answer humans have at this point in time. Our understanding of how our universe was created expands every day.

And the Big Bang's intention isn't to solve the problem of what happened before the singularity, it's basically just saying that, like most things we perceive, something complex comes from something simple, not the reverse. Not sure how familiar you are with string theory/M theory...but those helped me out a lot.

And yeah, our entire universe could be on the "blade of grass" of some other universe. We have no idea where we fall into the entire cosmic scope because it hasn't been/can't be entirely explored yet...but we already are getting the sense that we're pretty damn small. Then again, big and small is really only in the reference point.

true, i was angry when i wrote that response to herbal.
i dont like being called a fool which is what i believe he implied.
ive read plenty of physics books, but this is just something that ive toyed around in my mind for a little while.
i know substantial evidence is required for a theory, otherwise its just a hypothesis, but a theory still isnt fact, thats why its theory and can still be toyed with and/orcast aside.

[peacetrain]

oh absolutely...indeed, theories are MEANT to be toyed with/cast aside. Every theory is constantly attempting to be disproven or changed.

It's nice that other stoners think about these things. I haven't met too many on my journey so far. Refreshing!