Genetic Engineering

[harris7]

Now Genetic engineering.

This one is much easier and shorter

-A scientist wants to put a quality from one species into another.
-they locate the desired quality (gene) and literally cut it out.
-Then they place it in another organisms nucleolus by three means
-The gene gun- coat small pieces of gold with the gene and literally shoot the cell. Little pieces of gold will penetrate the nucleus… job done
-The most used means is virus’s and bacteria. Look up how a virus works.
-and the last is to place the target cell in a solution of the Gene and run an electric current through it. The electricity increases the permeability of the cell allowing the gene to enter.

Now I’ll highlight the difference:

GM—adding a new Gene

Breeding—is selecting the desired allele, no new gene’s

The most important thing is that a new gene is added. This is very dangerous. I don’t know your understanding of genetics but 1 gene does not code for one protein. In fact the human genome is only 30 000 genes and the human body has over 200 000 proteins. This relationship is only possible if genes interact to produce some proteins.
The unfortunate fact is that we cannot predict the effects of the gene interaction. The only effect we can predict (and the only thing they look for) is the desired trait.

You might be interested in the lack of testing done to these crops b4 they are allowed to be grown, sold and consumed. In the USA there is none! They are seen as “equivalent”

I am 110% opposed to GMO food crops! My opposition rests on their safety and their effect to biodiversity.

I will answer any questions you have. But I ask that you please start a thread.

[stinkyattic]

Monsanto, DuPont, ADM=collectively, the Devil.
GM is gong to lead to the demise of our traditional food crops, and to a disgusting stranglehold on the seeds to grow the 'new improved' ones that is going to make the difficulty of obtaining cannabis seed look like absolutely NOTHING.

[dutch.lover]

You're totally right stinky, it's really scary. GM crops, once they are planted, have the opportunity to take over (and spread their alien genes) everywhere. Organic foods will become obsolete if GM crops rise. This will also destroy all farmers who have natural and organic crops, as their crops will be ruined, and once their crops have been naturally crossed with the evil GM crops and now have foreign dna in them, those GM companies have a right to their entire crops (because they have a patent on those GM genes).

I hope that made sense. I can't stress enough about watching the movie "the future of food"... it lays out what's going on in the GM world now, how it started, and how it is ruining crops and farmers' livelihood. It also talks about the dangers of them, and lack of testing those crops need to go through. It's hella scary.

[chris420]

And GM crops are all tested and scrutinized under federal labs, am I right?

There should seriously be restrictions regarding some practices in science. I would'nt be suprised if one day I would see green people walking around with carrots growing on their heads.

[dutch.lover]

GM crops aren't tested to the degree that they should be (if at all). They are basically seen as plants, just like any other plants, and therefore there is no reason for a GM tomato plant for example, to go thru any abnormal testing.

I think Harris7 was going to post some stuff on testing today so stay tuned.

[benagain]

Lets just hope that bulb of garlic in my window doesn't decide to chark stabbing me one day. If that ever happens, I'm gonna really not take to kindly to GMs.

[Bob the Awesome]

Well, it seems I've been defeated in my argument, because my technical knowledge is no where near the same as Harris'

I do have one inquiry, however. Can plants become toxic/harmful through genetic modification? In what ways?

And if they don't test the GM plants to make sure a gene installed, for example, to make the plant disease-resistant does that and not make it poisonous, they need to. I don't necessarily think GM is horrible, but it does need to be done very scientifically and slowly.

Then again, there are a good amount of branches of science that suffer from unscientific methods... being a psychology major I've noticed a lot of problems with certain parts of mainstream psychological processes.

But thank you, Harris, for putting the time and effort into typing all of that out and not being an ass about it :jointsmile:

[harris7]

I do have one inquiry, however. Can plants become toxic/harmful through genetic modification? In what ways?

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Yes, remember that most plants are harmful to eat. For example, I believe it's Bt Corn which has a new toxic protein in it and it causes infertility in Pigs. There are warning given to all pig farmers in Europe at least which told them not to feed pigs the corn if they want to breed them.

No warning went out to the human population.

Another fear isn't that it's toxic, but that a plant may produce proteins characteristic of another plant. This has occurred with another kind of corn. People eating it had a allergic reaction to another plant (which they knew they were allergic to). This corn was only legal for animal consumption, yet it found its way into Taco Time Corn Taco's, who knows how.

â??The protein, known as Cry9C and not found in other crops that are genetically modified, is safe for animals but may trigger allergic reactions in humans, including fever, rashes or diarrhea, according to government scientists.â?�


Hereâ??s that story

http://www.rense.com/general4/kel.htm

[Skink]

I saw genetically modified Cherries last year,,,they were doubles,,,looked like red dog balls...

in the produce isle anything tagged with an 4xxx is grown in the US and Mexico,.,anything marked 9xxxx is organic,,,anything 8xxx is genetically modified...

[dutch.lover]

your genetically modified stuff is labeled? that's awesome. canada doesn't have labelling anywhere yet (but i could be wrong, maybe some prov's have it). it's total bullshit- if an organic product has 'gm-free' written on it when it is sent to the stores, stickers are placed over that to cover it up. stupid....!