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01-07-2007, 10:39 PM #31OPSenior Member
I am nature... ?
GENETIC ENGINEERING - Adaptability
At the moment adaptation of the human form is purely speculative and all a bit Sci-Fi. Which is great because it means that our imaginations can run wild. All those things we wished we could do but our bodies don't let us become possible. What if we could develop wings? survive underwater? Or completely adapt for survival in currently hostile environments; places of extreme temperature, where gravitational pull is higher or lower, the air unbreathable - i.e. other planets. Maybe we would want to adapt ourselves to have very long limbs or to be very short because it suited our chosen profession. Or what about getting the eyes of a hawk or the skin of a rhino, all of these adaptations have their potential uses.
THE SCIENCE
Of course, at present we do not have the technology or the knowledge to make these kinds of radical changes to ourselves, but it could happen with genetic engineering, gene and stem cell therapy. We could pre-create the desired human using genetically engineered cells to produce the necessary tissue or organs. DNA could be cloned and the genes manipulated and used to create the future human. Stem cells manipulated and implanted, possibly with the help of some nanorobots and a little AI thrown into the mix. What about trait genes, tissue or organs from animals, developed for human use. We could grow new, different organs altered to suit a particular purpose.
All of these theories are speculative with very little research or experimentation to back up any of these ideas. But they are far from new ideas. In 1957 James Blish wrote a collection of science fiction stories that were published in 'Seedling Stars'. These stories introduced a new word 'Pantropy', meaning 'to change all', which encompassed the idea of changing the human form to survive on other planet. Of course at the time little was know about just how extreme the environments could be!
A FEW EXAMPLE SCENARIOS:
Fertility on demand.
With an ever growing population more control over our reproductive process may well be desirable. At present women have a regular fertile period each month for a set period of years. But what if we could find a way to turn on and turn off that fertile period. We could alter ourselves to basically not have a fertile period until we wanted. Firstly we would alter the reproductive system to not work until we were ready and willing. Then we put in place the on/off switches using some AI and nanorobots. There ya go, a fertility system completely under our control, no need for artificial birth control.
Pantropy.
Underwater humans.
There are quite a few problems to solve before humans can become pseudo fish. First and foremost how will we breath? Even fish need oxygen, they use gills instead of lungs to extract the oxygen from the water. Maybe we would want to be able to exist both in and out of water. We could perhaps learn something from the various animals that have the ability to use both a gill and a lung system that means they can breath both air borne and water borne oxygen - bimodal breathing. Secondly, how do we deal with the pressure imbalance that causes the bends. Thirdly, what about our skin? We all know the consequences of staying in the water too long, our skin has only a limited tolerance to saturation. Fourthly, a few minor things like flipper feet and hands, eye protection and visual capacity, communication, temperature tolerance to name but a few. Basically a large proportion of the human machine would need to be redesigned.
Here are a few suggestions for some of the necessary alterations. We know that we can't breath underwater, our lungs do not have the capacity to extract enough oxygen from water but we can breath whilst submerged in other liquids such as perfluorocarbon (PFC) which are denser and more oxygen rich than water. What this means is that the lungs can contain fluid and remain functioning. Using PFC or another similar fluid might mean we can dive deeper for longer, but it will require additional equipment. So it's not really an answer to the creation of the human pseudo fish.
Babies seem to have a natural affinity with water; they love to swim, even as early as 3 months old they are extremely comfortable in and under water. Contrary to popular belief we do not breath liquid whilst we're in the womb. During gestation the foetus survives in fluid, but it's not using its lungs at this point, the oxygen/carbon dioxide exchange system is supplied by the mother via the umbilical cord. Once the foetus exits a remarkable process takes place that changes the circulatory system and activates the lungs. So, back to the swimming babies, how does a baby know not to try breath underwater? It uses an instinct known as the mammalian dive reflex, which closes off the epiglottis thus preventing water from entering the lungs, similar to the process that stops us from breathing in our coffee, but one that we learn to override after a year or so in favour of holding our breath.
So what has this got to do with the adaptation of the human for life underwater? Well perhaps the basic functions for underwater breathing are already there. We could stop the change, at birth, from external oxygen access to lung functioning. We replace our present breathing system with a system that uses an external lung to extract the oxygen from the water. The system is housed inside a protective layer of toughened skin with a tubing system to draw in new water, extract the oxygen and then expel the used water; basically we genetically engineer an aqualung and live continuously underwater. Alternatively let's leave the system as is but add on an extra external system as above for use underwater and we have a system for bimodal breathing. Another system for continuous underwater life might be to genetically change the lungs so that they have a bigger surface area enabling us to extract enough oxygen from water, and then adjust the lining of the lung to use water borne oxygen.
Whichever system we choose to develop we need to create a system to protect us from the pressures of the deep. Perhaps that could be in the form of a strengthened skin, that also addresses the problem of skin wrinkling, instead of sebum making our skin waterproof we would have a more efficiently waterproofed skin. After these major issues have been solved the minor stuff like changing the foot and hand structure should be easy. We simply need to target the relevant limb genes and engineer them to be more duck like. And we could create an extra layer for the eyes to protect them; or re-engineer them to function more usefully underwater.
The same process would apply to adaptation to whatever new environment we found ourselves in; identify the changes needed, sort out which genes to change and engineer the changes.
But what if we started out on our long space journey, uncertain of the conditions at our final destination? How would we survive the possibly centuries long journey?
SCENARIO:
Space travel
We set out on our journey in search of a new home planet; we're not entirely sure what the environment will be like once we get there, but we have some ideas about what we're looking for, we'd like it to be as close as possible to earths atmosphere. Our volunteer crew choose their role:
To be initial crew members those that start the journey, running the ship for the first 200 years. We have of course perfected longevity by this time. These crew have specialist skills and have been genetically modified for those task.
To be placed in a state of suspended animation awaiting the time when they will be needed as replacement crew.
As above but available for genetic modification once the new planet has been found and the modification needs identified.
A bank of frozen embryos will be waiting for the time when the planet has been found. They will be appropriately modified to meet the needs of the new planet.
Additionally some will be modified for rapid development from child to adult.
All very easy really, when's the next ship out?
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01-07-2007, 10:50 PM #32Senior Member
I am nature... ?
There's too much group thinking, and too many people with authority over one another... Think about how surreal it is to have someone above you who can tell you what to do, and if you don't follow those rules, THEY punish YOU.
Each person needs to take responsibility for their own actions, and make informed decisions in the will of the people. Easier said than done, and that is the general consensus of most people, yet somehow the assholes with power keep ending up in power... We just don't know how to change that, and when we do, it might be too late.
People need to realize that others don't have the same opinions as they do, and we all need to compromise. But again, as of now, a lot of humans are too stubborn to realize this, and it's Screwing us all over.
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01-08-2007, 01:18 AM #33Senior Member
I am nature... ?
great questions! How will humans evolve if the weak can all pass their genes on too?
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01-08-2007, 05:45 PM #34OPSenior Member
I am nature... ?
Originally Posted by NextLineIsMine
Back in the days of the hunter/gatherer it was most important to be physically strong. Now, in the days of high technology, it is most important to be intelligent. The most useful of humans in this Age are the humans who invent new technologies and build complex machines. They are the ones who are going to take us to the next step, not the muscle-bound buffoons of the WWE.
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01-08-2007, 08:37 PM #35Senior Member
I am nature... ?
those who cannot or will not take care of themselves and/or contribute meaningfully to the tribe.
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01-10-2007, 05:19 AM #36OPSenior Member
I am nature... ?
A million years from now maybe life will have evolved into forms that make use of those things that we today consider to be pollution. It's pollution to us because we are not evolved enough to make use of it.
What does life do? It adapts to its environment. Those that cannot adapt, die. 90% of all life forms that ever existed on Earth are now extinct. What's left is the life that successfully adapted and became what we see today.
Some more will die, some more will adapt, and a million years from now the world will be completely unrecognizable to anyone alive today. Will it be a better world, or worse? I don't know and neither do you!
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