god vs. no god

[nikweiser]

ok basically this post is just kind of a little rant in a way.. just felt like talking about it so please bare with me
me and my buddies were getting into the subject of religion.. going back and forth on different subjects..
i just came to relize that my friend support gods side always used responses like.. havent you read the bible or read the bible like that was a good defense for his arguement? i just dont get why it seems like most christians rely to faith and reading the bible.. like reading the bible is going to show me that god is real? its a book that was written thousands of years ago and has probably been changed each time it was rewritten? and we give facts on evolution and how shit was made and he dosent belive in evolution..
all im saying is why are people so oblivious to it with how much proof we have.. and his proof is read the bible?

also to make it clear, i am in no way putting down the christian religion or anyone else for that matter, im just wondering my last statment
and if any of this dosent make sense, its 2 am and im not baked anymore and real tired :P

nikweiser Reviewed by nikweiser on 01-04-2007. god vs. no god ok basically this post is just kind of a little rant in a way.. just felt like talking about it so please bare with me:D me and my buddies were getting into the subject of religion.. going back and forth on different subjects.. i just came to relize that my friend support gods side always used responses like.. havent you read the bible or read the bible like that was a good defense for his arguement? i just dont get why it seems like most christians rely to faith and reading the bible.. Rating: 5

[JunkYard]

That's an all too common response from Christians.. .."Read the Bible", lol! I nearly break out in laughter everytime I here that, then at times it greatly offends me. But, I am a Christian at heart, meaning I dig what Jesus did, and I try to follow his example.

Does God exist? Well, I think so, but like someone pointed out, belief is in the mind, and God can't be proven. I guess you either believe, or don't. Then there might be a time in your life that something happens that seems soo miraculous you can't deny his existence any longer. It happened to me, but it was the subtle things that seemed so miraculous.

Many Christians attempt to convert people into their religion with fear, and then the atheist try to disprove them, as well as others who are content just believing having no need to convert. Why is this a reality? Maybe instead of questioning the unprovable and trying to convince others they are wrong, we should consider our own acts of futility, and ask ourselves why we do what we do? Are we looking for answers, or are we just out to argue, and cause resistance between each other?

Just be happy and live, man! This might be the only life we get.. ..


Love,


:smokin:

[HiProGlow]

I think you're on to something. Whenever I hear a Christian asking me if I've read the Bible I kind-of-chuckle. (Eventhough I've read it several times, cover to cover, new and old) My response is, have you looked around? You don't need a Bible to be connected with God. Granted, there are lessons to be learned from the ancient texts but they are by no means the end all be all. See, it's easy to believe in a glorified Christ, that is, a Christ who reigns in Heaven....in fact there are millions of people who do. Yet, I think the numbers would dwindle a bit if these so called "Christians" were contemporary with Christ. Would they believe that this poor, carpenter's son was the messiah? Would they stand by his side as he was pelted with stones, spat on, whipped, ridiculed? All very interesting if you ask me....but every true Christian HAS to become contemporary with Christ. The Bible is a good reference point but it can only take a person so far, advise him along his way, if you will, but it will not force him to have true faith. The answer is in the real life now. If you ask me, who needs Heaven? THIS is Heaven. I believe paradise can be found on Earth, right here, right now......I guess this is my message in a nut shell.....if the world wants to know if God exists I believe there is a simple solution. For example....imagine you are a King and you are in your castle. Suddenly every person in your kingdom calls out your name. Would you remain in your castle and ignore them? I highly doubt it. I think the same applies to God, as above, so below.....if we could all shut up for five minutes and call out to what we believe to be God, at the same time, do you think God would ignore us? Hmmm, I wonder. Peace!

[mrdevious]

It's really best not to start this argument again. The God debate has been going on for years on this board, and I've argued every point there is to be argued over and over and over and over....... and at the end those arguments are just ignored and the same arguments, that have been made then shot down a billion times, are made once again in the next thread. There's no point trying to have a logical argument when, if you logically corner your opponent, they then claim you can throw logic out the window and the belief still makes sense.

[greendove]

I'm a huge believer in logic. I was a philosophy major for a short time, and I haven't yet been able to drag myself out of that mode. That's why I find very few Christians that I get along with very well... we just can't seem to get past our differences.

I consider myself agnostic. I honestly don't know, because I haven't been dead yet, and I don't know anyone who has. However, I would like to think that there's something more to all of this than just what we've got right here. I hope so. But, I don't know... I've got a feeling that there haven't been many people who have died, gotten to whatever afterlife there may be, and then said, "Wow... I was completely right!". The odds are just against that, because even among Christains, there are so many different beliefs and variations. If there is a god, I hope he's the type of being that wouldn't send Ghandi to "hell" for being Hindu, and that he certainly doesn't "hate fags", like so many churches like to preach. I feel like it all boils down to the type of person you are, and how much you've grown as a person in the life you've led, not the minor details. I like to think that, if there is a God, it's a god of love, and not condemnation.

[hazetwostep]

junkyard and hipro... i like what you guys said.

[hewhispers]

Greendove...

Nice post. I am somewhat of a closet agnostic.
How can you know? How can anyone possibly know?

And how arrogant it is for religion to preach that WE (they) are God's chosen people. So everybody else got it wrong? Drives me insane.

And what of those born before the creation of that religion?
Doesnt seem fair that they are unsaved because they saw life before the Bible or Koran.

Religion has its purpose. Moral grounding. "Thou shall not...."
And that does have value.

As far as God....I cant wrap my brain around it.
What was here before there was nothing?
And how did nothing turn into this?
We think of "time" as a linear line. Start at Point A, end at Point Z.
There's more to it than that, but I don't know what it is.

Like size the universe.....
How can it go on FOREVER?
And if it has a boundary, then there's more to it thats outside our reach.
Maybe its like Asteroids. Get to the top and get transported to the bottom.
I try not to think about it. The "not knowing" could drive me insane.

[epicsoundz69]

I have no religion, but that doesnt mean I dont believe in anything I believe that there IS a higher power. I do not think that human-kind truly understands this power, and probably never will. There probably have been "enlightened" individuals that came close to understanding, but its the other people, the ones taking account of the events, etc., that I dont believe. I choose not to live my life according to what other people have said, when I see that obviously they can be biased, persuaded, or corrupted. I try to live my life as best I can. If I'm wrong, then so be it, but "I" wil have lived "my" life to the fullest

[epicsoundz69]

dude.

i wrote a big ol theory to add but my 5 min ran out and it erased it all

damnit

[Pass That Shit]

It's not that complicated. Have faith in his word. His word will guide you in truth.

What's the difference about the start of either God or Science? I don't see the difference in the reasoning about how God began or how the "energy of life" that the non christian believes in began. Where did it start from? Nothing? Where did that energy come from? Where did the thing that caused that energy to start come from? What's the beginning of Science?

I think whether the "energy" is God or not, most will probably agree that it has ALWAYS existed.

To me, eternity is a single day. A day of sunshine. A day to come. :thumbsup: