It's really best not to start this argument again. The God debate has been going on for years on this board, and I've argued every point there is to be argued over and over and over and over....... and at the end those arguments are just ignored and the same arguments, that have been made then shot down a billion times, are made once again in the next thread. There's no point trying to have a logical argument when, if you logically corner your opponent, they then claim you can throw logic out the window and the belief still makes sense.