god vs. no god

[JeenYuss]

Bible was written by men insprired by the Holy Sprit, The Bible was written over many hundreds of years by many men but if read, will seem to be by One Person Because the Holy Sprit Wrote it. It IS the Word Of God, the final authoriy in all matters. All you need to know to live this life as God intended. Accept it or reject it, belive in God and His Son Jesus or don't. where you spend eternaty is tottaly up to you weather you belive or not. Forget the religous mumbo jumbo, God isn't about that. It is all about a one on One personal relationship with God through Jesus. For those that belive, know, for those that don't God stands at the door and knocks waitting for you. Tomorrow is promasied to no one. Something tells me spending eternaty with my Creator is much better then eternaty seporated from my Creator. www.liveprayer.com God bless

so PROVE that it was the holy spirit they were writing maybe they were all sum ass holes on peyote or sumthin? moses hits that crack pipe too much maybe

[JeenYuss]

the big bang wasnt a big ball of matter like a lot of people think, it was a small area of pure energy and mass combined and compressed into such a small area that caused it to explode etc. etc. and life was suposedly caused by reactions between lightning and chemicals in the water

that covers the "creation" and "life" arguments

as for religions, i think almost all religions these days are pretty much bull shit, with bits of good and/or true stuff mixed in, but its like a turd wit peanuts in it, the bull shit ruins what would otherwise be something good

if i had to choose a religion satanism would be it, not "devil-worship" stereotyped satansim but real satanism

http://www.freewebs.com/eridu666/Origins.html

im not sure about this stuff about satan being our "creator" but the rest of it is 100% logical (although aliens? seems weird but logical)

[wrasler]

that doesn't cover jack shit. where did the "pure energy and mass" originate? if you don't believe a supreme being created it, how did it come into being? how can you prove my belief isn't true? were you there or did you know someone who was? please enlighten me.

[wrasler]

in your long 15 years on the planet, what has made you the authority on what is true/bs in religions? have you taken any religious studies courses or is this information you have recycled from your parents?

[hewhispers]

hewhispers,
sorry to say this, but "right-wing" has nothing to do with intelligent design. many faiths have believed in a creator long before darwin hypothesized the theory of evolution in the 1800s.

Here's some information for you wrasler.

Intelligent design (ID) leading proponents are all affiliated with the Discovery Institute. The institute is headed by Bruce Chapman.

Chapman was born in 1940 in Evanston, Illinois. After graduating from Harvard University in 1962, he served in the U.S. Air Force Reserves, and worked as an editorial writer for the New York Herald Tribune. In 1966 Chapman moved to Seattle and wrote a book entitled The Wrong Man in Uniform, arguing against conscription.

Chapman became active in politics through the Seattle Young Republicans, and became a member of the United States Republican Party. He was elected to the Seattle City Council in 1971. In 1975, he was appointed Secretary of State for the state of Washington. He campaigned for the office of Governor of Washington in 1980, but ultimately did not win the Republican nomination.

Chapman was appointed by President Ronald Reagan to the position of Director of the United States Census Bureau and served in that role from 1981 until 1983. Between 1983 and 1985 he was Deputy Assistant to President Reagan and Director of the White House Office of Planning and Evaluation. From 1985 to 1988 he served in the appointed position of United States Ambassador to the United Nations Organizations in Vienna. His portfolio included nuclear proliferation, refugees, economic development, and the control of narcotics.

From 1988 to 1990 Chapman was a fellow at the Hudson Institute, a conservative think tank. In 1990 , he left Hudson and founded the Discovery Institute. The institute is best known as the hub of the intelligent design movement,[2] and also focuses on a broad range of issues, including transportation and international cooperation in the Cascadia region.

Chapman is a Roman Catholic.

[mrdevious]

that doesn't cover jack shit. where did the "pure energy and mass" originate?

Where did this incredible and infinite creator come from? Same problem, but you can't logically just pick the answer that you like.

if you don't believe a supreme being created it, how did it come into being?

Right here is the biggest logical fallacy behind creationism. Your only answer is "how did it come into being?". That is not an answer, it's a question. You can't then just pick the first answer your mind can comprehend just because you can't think of a better one. If society accumulated all it's knowledge that way, we'd have never come to where we are in the sciences and other forms of knowledge. God is only a hypothesis, a proposal for an explanation as to the complexity of the universe and its creation. The simple fact that we don't have all the answers yet does not mean you can declare a prior hypothesis as truth simply because we haven't yet come to certain understandings. Humanity throughout the ages has accredited thunder to blacksmith gods, sickness to demons, stars to pinprick holes in a blanket over the sky, fire as a migical gift from one of the Roman gods (I forget which one), and so on and so on... But once we dscovered the real answers to these questions, such as chemical reactions creating thunder, we do what we have always done; move on to the next phenomenon we can't explain and provide an easy answer to declare the truth.

God fits fine as an explanation as to how existence came into being (well actually, there are some obvious flaws). But you, me, or anybody could conjure up infinite explanations as to the nature of this existence. It is only when one explanation becomes indoctrinated within the masses that it is viewed as the only acceptable one. The universe is not a simple place with simple explanations that any 5 year old could understand. We've come a long way, and we have a longer way to go. Intelligent reasoning, often working against indoctrinated coercion from religious figureheads, is what has lead to our rise in understanding of this world and our place in it. I would rather we continue to seek answers, perpetuate growth in thought, and strive to become the beings that control and understand this reality, rather than omitting it to the higher universal dictator because it's the easiest answer, and only one we have at the time.

how can you prove my belief isn't true?

That's irrelevant. Scientists don't create theories by proving that every hypothesis isn't true. Politicians aren't justified in launching wars because "prove that they're not producing nuclear weapons". I don't kill a random person the street and say to the judge "prove that he wasn't going to attack me". It's up to you to prove that god does exist, otherwise you're just making a claim.

were you there or did you know someone who was? please enlighten me.

I sure wasn't. And neither were you. Hence why your believe in god, or my belief in the invisible space jellyfish, are both invalid. A belief does not have validity just because you believe it. It has validity when you can support it with evidence and critical reasoning. This still all goes back to the creationist fallacy, "you don't have answer, so that makes my belief right".

[divestoned]

God was origianally made-up by power hungry ppl as a way to control others,and endorsed by empoverished ppl who need to believe there is something better for them in the future. (like the boogy man story was designed to scare kids straight). The believers of god are weak minded followers who fear there mortality. Apparently sodomy is a sin, so i ask you why do the lords priest molest so many alter boys?God told me that all of his followers should send me money,if not your all going to hell.

[greendove]

I certainly am not filing all that is not known under God.
My point was that life came from non-life.
That to me this is the only true miracle that I can think of.
Maybe one day man will be able to something so amazing.
I tend to doubt it.

The whole Intelligent Design theory is a sad attempt by Christians/right wing to insert God into evolution.

And I am certainly not trying to prove that there isn't a God. I'm just stating that the particular "proof" you were trying to offer isn't any sort of proof at all.

[wrasler]

in response to your first statement regarding intelligent design. what i am saying is that it isn't some new theory that popped up recently. "creationism" has been viewed as the explanation for the origin of life for a very long time. consider the famous scopes trial in the beginning of the nineteenth century. it was over a teacher who went against the rules of the time and taught evolution as opposed to what was required: creationism (which, in case you didn't know, is the same thing as intelligent design).
i want you to understand that i am not trying to discredit your beliefs as you are trying so hard to mine. i was simply asking questions. i also know that we will not convince each other one way or the other and have reached an impasse in the argument.
finally, is it really that hard to believe there is something bigger than yourself out there?

[peacetrain]

No one can ever disprove God. That doesn't mean the likelihoods of there being or not being a god are equal.

For instance, no one can disprove that I'm going to win the lottery today. That doesn't increase the likelihood of me actually winning the lottery.

Although we can never rule out the Abrahamic God of Jewish, Christian, and Islamic faiths...we can rule it out as much as any of the other Gods various cultures have worshiped throughout history. Indeed, Mount Olympus is just as unlikely as the Christian Heaven. There's just as much evidence for both.

Intelligent design is bullshit. The Bible is bullshit. Neither should come anywhere close to a school.

Just READ the Bible...that will give you more proof of it's bullshittiness than any atheist could. Just try reading it. Not just Psalms, either. Or if you're not reading it literally, how do you pick and choose what's right? Why not cut out the middle man?