View Poll Results: What should be done about Iran ?
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Hope that diplomacy works
4 100.00% -
Multi-pronged attack,with conventional weapons
1 25.00% -
Accelerate the RNEP program,(nuclear bunker-busters)
1 25.00% -
Allow Iran to nuke Tel-Aviv and London first-before responding
1 25.00%
Multiple Choice Poll.
Results 31 to 40 of 47
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12-31-2004, 11:34 PM #31Junior Member
To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
Halliburton has been invilved in every rebuilding effort dating back to Viet Nam. They consistantly win bids for this type of work simply due to the fact that they are one of only three companies worldwide who do much of what they do, the only company who does all of what they do. Even Clinton awarded bids to Halliburton for rebuilding contracts in Bosnia. Of course, this little tidbit of information will never be included in a major media operation's report as it would take some of the heat off Bush. Notice how everytime Halliburton is mentioned by the media it is followed by the mention of Dick Cheney. Everyone knows by now that he was formerly head of the company, but the media feels it necessary to drive this point home.
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01-01-2005, 03:39 AM #32Senior Member
To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
"First off, you are way off in your definition of fascism. It means to exalt nation and/or race above the individual." I guess my 2004 encyclopedia isnt quite "up to date" with your defintion of fascism!
"If Iraq is all about oil, Why the spike in gas prices? Why are the oil companies profits declining at a record pace?" I dont know, maybe because the oil tycoons want to make more money, or maybe because petroleum is scarce. If i was George Bush id tell you, but then again, id probably lie!
I never said anything relating to the fact that Americas economy would collapse if oil was gone, and im sure it would. the only reason i dont like oil is because its destroying our environment, and George Bush isnt doing shit to help it. Not only is he the worst president in history, he is the cause of this horrible environment, just because hes NOT doing anything to help it. If nothing is done, think about what YOUR kids are gonna have to breath and drink in 20 years. The only reason why the combustion engine is so reliable is becaue it manufactures millions of cars, trucks, semis, buses etc.... If hydrogen cars were given a chance to excel, it could save alot of money, and the environment. But since George Bush makes his living off of oil, theres no way in hell thats ever gonna happen in America.
What do u think will happen to the environment in 10 years if nothing is done now?
Some experts are even saying that petroleum will be gone in the next 10 years as well, so what then?
"Second, you are probably too young to know that the reason we went to Iraq the first time is because he invaded a helpless country." I am only 18, so your assumption was correct, but what about the holocaust? why didnt America intervene when Hitler was killing MILLIONS of innocent people, although that was during the depression. and when America finally did get involved after Pearl Harbor, it saved Americas economy because of the mass production of arms. so you cant sit there and tell me that George Bush, and George W werent thinking about that oil when they invaded Iraq, c'mon now.
As for God and Religion, I dont believe in that, some of the bible isnt even translated correctly. However, i do believe in fate and karma, which are pretty much the same thing, in my opinion.
Another thing, Why is it that Republicans attack those who disagree with them, and why do they ALWAYS use scare tactics to get people to support them? is it only the american mind that falls for such lame propaganda?
And next time, dont insult my intelligence, because my IQ and PSAT scores were extremely high compared to that of George Bush and the avg american. sometimes people are given false information, theres nothing i can do except find the truth, which is almost impossible to find now. I know and you know that your not 100% correct.
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01-01-2005, 07:26 AM #33Junior Member
To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
My definition of fascism comes directly from Webster's collegiate dictionary, but I digress.
Don't get me started on the environment. We have been told for the last 40 years now how we "evil" Americans are destroying it. Yet, today's air and water are cleaner than they were then. If you want to talk about fear mongering, nobody does it better than the environmental crowd. Are you aware that in 1976 we were all being warned of the impending ice age? http://www.junkscience.com will provide you with all the scientific evidence necessary to dispell the myths about environmental issues, if you take the time to study it. I have always been amazed at the arrogance displayed by those who think we are powerful enough to destroy mother earth. She could eat us all alive. When Mt. Pinitubo erupted, close to 1000 times the toxins we are told cause global warming were released than man has created in our history. The earth's own forces are more damaging than we could ever hope to be.
I don't disagree with you that the combustion engine is a filthy beast. My point is that all other technologies have a way to go before they can become suitable replacements. Even when that happens, it will take a while to get everyone up to speed. I don't know about you, but I don't have an extra $15-$20 grand in the bank right now for a brand new hydrogen car. Reality dictates that the gas engine is with us for at least another 20 years.
I don't quite understand this bitter hatred of Bush that is so consistent from the left, though I don't hold it against you. I, myself have many problems with his policies, on immigration and entitlement issues to name a few. But to blame this one president for all of the evildoings in the world is quite naive. I stand by my earlier comments on Iraq and his entire foreign policy agenda. One more suggested reading would be the US Constitution. It explains how the president's primary responsibility is to protect the US, its citizens and its sovereignty. I am not saying that oil isn't a factor. Someday, when Iraq is rebuilt and the pumps are flowing freely, yes, a western friendly oil rich country will be a great benefit to all of us. The other huge benefactor will be the Iraqi people who have just been released from 35 years of unadulterated hell. More power to them, I say.
Truth of the matter is, unfortunately we will not see the many positives that will come from our actions in Iraq for many years. I still believe that it was the right thing to do, as do 93% of those who are serving there on the ground
and they should know.
By the way, I didn't mean to insult your intelligence, hope I didn't hurt your feelings. I, too, have an extremely high IQ but more importantly was blessed with an overwhelming abundance of common sense. The combination has me with a track record of being right 99.2% of the time, so I am close.
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01-01-2005, 04:18 PM #34Senior Member
To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
Cronyism ? what cronyism (sic)
http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/kept_promises.html
http://www.opensecrets.org/2000elect...t/AllCands.htm
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01-01-2005, 04:28 PM #35Senior Member
To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
Originally Posted by Conservatoker
I have a feeling that someone lives in fantasy world where they see themselves as some sort of oracle or holder of supreme truths.
Modesty is obviously a foreign concept to you??
Ever heard the saying "Pride goes before a fall! ?
Arrogance teamed with ignorance make you believe you are right perhaps.
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01-01-2005, 05:16 PM #36Junior Member
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Originally Posted by psychocat
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01-01-2005, 05:58 PM #37Senior Member
To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
I'm all for a strong Military, but this pre-emptive vullshit is about as UnAmerican as it gets... Arn't we innocent until proven guilty? Does our individual philosophies not recosile with National philosophies?
Don't get me wrong, somebody attacts us, we should crush them like an ant, but instead of spenmding mutliple billions of dollars going on the offensive, and having troops stationed around the world, why don't we station those troops on the Mexico/US bored, and other major immagration points? THen we can divert all that 'defence' (war) funding to true defence funding, get GW's SDI working good.
And as far as all this terrorism goes, if our Constitution wouldn't have been butched continuously for the last 60 years, maybe it would be a problem. After all, if every Tom Dick and Sally could protect themselves (as Constitutional garunteed), what chance would terrorists have? I know I won't hesitate if I am put into that situation after I get my CCW...I see a red door and I want it painted black / No colors anymore I want them to turn black / I see the girls walk by dressed in their summer clothes / I have to turn my head until my darkness goes
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01-01-2005, 07:49 PM #38Senior Member
To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
America is contributing to some of the worlds pollution, but dont get me wrong, China has 2 billion people, along with India, and im sure they add a majority of the pollution. Still, America launches the most rockets, that of which emits terrible gases that will eventually destroy the environment.
take a look...http://www.freedrinkingwater.com/wat...erchlorate.htm
Weather is also making dramatic changes, every state has broken some kind of record for being too hot, or too cold. Im not sure if its the increased greenhouse effect, or if the environment itself is changing.
Hydrogen cars mark a new era, but I know thats not gonna happen in Corporate America, too many RICH people would lose money, so obviously theyll do anything to stop the hydrogen cars from expanding. Also, Japan has just made a Hydrogen car that drove around the whole country on water, and nothing else. They would expand the rate of hydrogen cars distributed, but they dont have the proper funds to do so, and no one seems to care.
Its not like i HATE bush, i just want a president that isnt illiterate, he makes americans look dumb just because he is. That was a good point by Buck268, if we controlled who came into America, how could anyone attack us internally?
Mother Earth is far more powerful than any weapon, except the neutron bomb. But still, Humans in general are filthy, and the earth cant stay clean forever.
I know the environmentalist crowd tries to scare people, but they dont make public commercials using scare tactics such as the Republican Party did relentlessly this past election, whom spent a record amount of money doing so. Republicans are always negative and only care about themselves, at least from every republican ive ever talked to and seen.
Dont worry, you didnt offend me, even though it seemed like you wanted to.
One more question, if you are indeed a fellow cannabis smoker, how can you support a man that contributes billions of dollars to the anti-drug war, when he himself was a cokehead for a duration of his life? Also, George W never even fought for this country, sure he was in the national guard, but thats just because he was a pussy, and had his dad pull some strings. He doesnt have any awards, medals etc... Even on his Military report, he marked he WOULDNT volunteer to go to vietnam. While John Kerry did volunteer, he ended up being a huge war veteran with numerous medals and awards, and still he had the decency to give some of his awards away to soldiers he believed deserved them.
I think your percentage of being correct is somewhere around 92.4%, lol, but still some issues that arent precise. Every American is somewhat ignorant, so i dont hold that against you. But some people take ignorance to a level beyond stupidity, especially those who believe that George W is a better president that Bill Clinton was.
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01-01-2005, 10:22 PM #39Junior Member
To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
I don't have the time to proove to you all of the reasons how and why the Clinton presidency was a total disaster, but I could if I had to. I don't hate the man though, and took no pleasure in the news of his recent health issues.
As to your perception of Republicans, they are misconceptions and that would also take me several pages to point out. What I find interesting though is how Democrats are always complaining that Republicans are trying to scare people when it is them who hoodwink voters every election cycle with threats of lost Soc. Security, civil liberties, voter suppression and destruction of the environment and the world as we know it if Republicans are elected. None of these things have ever come to fruition, yet rest assured they will again be used to frighten voters in '06.
As far as my cannibis smoking is concerned, I told you that I was not a big fan of Bush's domestic agenda and that is yet another issue which I disagree with him on. That however, is not exclusive to him. If there is a politician in this country that supports legalization, I have yet to find him. Far more important to me are matters of national security, the only issue we have discussed here that is constitutionally the president's responsibility.
When you were born, I was your age. Believe it or not, I also thought much the way you do. 18 years ago, you and I would probably be in agreeance on most of what we have discussed. As I grew older though, I started to understand what it really is that makes this country great and sets us apart from the rest of the world. My father grew up in Sweden and experienced socialism first hand for much of his life. It was his wisdom which made me realize how the freedoms we enjoy here come from the right to self-governance which is directly enabled by our taking responsibilities for our own life and family, without looking to government for assistance, preservation or state of well being. After my kids were born, it all became perfectly clear to me as it may someday for you, and if that doesn't scare you, nothing will, lol.
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01-02-2005, 12:40 AM #40Member
To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
Originally Posted by Conservatoker
wow what garbage. U hate poor people and blame them for it. I have the right to a free university education, and old fat white fuckers owe it ot me. Thats right you owe me. By virtue of the fact i was born.Thats right you owe me. You didnt get where you are by hard work, you got there on the backs of poor non whites. You are a capitalist slave master.
Why are you americans so ignorant?
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