Thanks Zandor. Hindsight is always my best trait so now of course I have figured out that if I had flushed everything and gone with a lighter nute solution for awhile (which I thought about but vetoed) I probably would have made things alot easier on all of us. KP, I just topped all the little buggers yesterday since they finally seemed recovered so give me a few days before I snap them....intend to turn them by the end of this coming week so will grab some photos first .