Quote Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Why create the fuss. He was told that there has been complaints about that alley way. If the dude would have said fine after finding out it is considered private property there would have been no probs. I don't see the big deal about showing an I.D. unless there is something to hide.

This dude was looking for attention and got it.....I'd just as soon show the I.D. and be forgotten about VERY soon after.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:
I can understand your point of view to a certain extent, however it is NOT the point! I am sick and tired of hearing the Right's bullshit response "Well if you have nothing to hide, then you are fine!", and thats exactly what you are trying to make this out to be Psycho. That is Nazi police state language and you know it!

If a cop asked me for my ID if I was on public property just minding my own business, I would say that he has no right to see my ID and inform him that it is against the 4th Amendment of the US Constitution for him to ask. Usually when cops here you talk about the Constitution, they will back off because now they know YOU know your rights and will be cautious. Slowly explain to the cop who probably doesn't know the Constitution that you are doing nothing wrong and that it is against the law to randomly ask for ID, as it equals an unlawful search.

If the cop continues to harass you, you simply say that this is a violation of the 4th Amendment and that you will file charges with the local police department and will file a lawsuit. That should be enough for the cop to piss off, but in the unfortunate scenario that you are arrested, do not speak at all to any officer of the law without the presence of an attorney! I cannot stress that enough. Even though you would probably love to do it to teach the cop a lesson in ethics (ironic), never physically assault a cop though at all. Be the better person!

The cop wanted this man's ID just because there was crime activity during a certain period of time. The cop was technically searching him when he asked for ID. However, the man was not involved in any criminal activity and was probably on public property considering it was an alley, and so therefore it was a violation of his 4th amendment right and the officer should have been reprimanded or suspended without pay because of this constitutional violation.
Great Spirit Reviewed by Great Spirit on . Des Moines man refuses to give ID to police, is arrested This is what your "beautiful and free" government does to people who simply wish to uphold their constitutional rights of privacy. I would be pissed too if some Amerikan Nazi bothered me and asked me for my ID if I was not doing anything wrong. He has no business asking for it and you have a right to tell the cop to leave you alone. He works for you...you don't work for him. The officer had no probable cause to ask for ID and under the 4th amendment of the US Constitution, it was illegal for Rating: 5