Global warming

[LIP]

No offence LIP but you do not understand it. You only think you do.

I donâ??t understand it but as I said I know how complex it is. The only people who have enough knowledge of the subject to make these conclusions are the people who have dedicated their lives to it. Have you? Then why the fuck do you think you know better than them?

I never said i know better than anyone. Dont make accusations based on thin air.

Please, NEVER say i dont understand something, you have no idea what i know and do not know.

I understand it perfectly, but i still dont belive it, or care about it.

Dont EVER say that to me again.

[harris7]

That's not true. I can quite easily grasp it, and i understand it. I still dont belive it though. I dont care what happens to this planet, like i said, by the time the shit hits the fan im going to be dead.

LIP Iâ??m sorry if I offended you, that was not my intension.

You said explicitly that you understand it and donâ??t believe in it. And you are correct I donâ??t know what you know, but I can see what you donâ??t. I know a considerable amount about climate change and I can easily see the extent of your understanding of the issue by your posts.

For example:

There's no such thing as far as im concerned.
Look at the last iceage. There were no cars, factories, and all the other things that "are bad for the planet" so how the fooking hell did the ice melt? Naturally? Well, it must have been.
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I am not trying to insult you but do you have any ideas about:
-the earths cycles?
-What caused the 4 major ice ages?
-Do you know how CO2 effects temperature?
-The rate at which the planet is warming? And how that rate is changing

you might know the answers or might not, it really doesnâ??t matter. The plain truth is that climate science could possibly be the most complex study known to man. To judge your understanding all I need to do is look at your conclusions and arguments.

[benagain]

"We all must realize that science is never 100% sure"

So yea, there's just as goos a chance that ice cream caused global warming. Here's how scientists get their conclusions...

They find some random peice of evidence. They don't know what the truth is so they start to makeup stories that fits. They try these stories out and see if it makes any sense. If it does, then it's science. If it doesn't they throw it away and move on. The 'truth' as we know it is just a story we've made up with the facts at hand. Change or add a fact and the story is changed. Give it a hundred years and we'll see where the story is at. Example case: The earth is flat...With all of the knowledge at hand, this made sense. Find out that you can go around in a circle to get places and the story has been changed.

Don't be so arragont that you beleive what you think is the truth. It's only your understanding of the truth.

[friendowl]

we are fucked
there is no hope
we will destroy and suck the life out of poor mother earth
money talks bullshit about the enviorment walks

so sad i do my part but its nowhere near enough
i bet one day fresh water will be more valuable than any gold or diamond

[Dayglow]

+2degrees is all it takes.

[benagain]

meh, freshwater can be made out of saltwater. Happens all the time. I say bring it on. I also do my bit to be a bit cleaner (recycle and conserve energy), but bottom line is that there's nothing else I can really do about it. I'm not gonna stop you from driving a carboard box to work, but don't give me lip if I drive an suv. Beleive what you want, but don't try and belittle me for not doing as much.

[harris7]

"We all must realize that science is never 100% sure"

So yea, there's just as goos a chance that ice cream caused global warming. Here's how scientists get their conclusions...

They find some random peice of evidence. They don't know what the truth is so they start to makeup stories that fits. They try these stories out and see if it makes any sense. If it does, then it's science. If it doesn't they throw it away and move on. The 'truth' as we know it is just a story we've made up with the facts at hand.
Don't be so arragont that you beleive what you think is the truth. It's only your understanding of the truth.

I hope you arenâ??t calling me arrogant. You are correct, but you are also wrong. Science can find truths. Such as global warming, we have observed it happen. It is not speculation it is an observation. But I agree about things based on theories. Climate change, I agree, isnâ??t 100% sure. But it doesnâ??t matter. Rarely in human existence has not being 100% sure changed out action

If a doctor comes up to you and tells you your heart will fail within a month and you will die unless they operate. He isnâ??t 100% sure. The only way he could be 100% sure is if we waited for you to die, but then it is to late. The same goes for climate change, were very sure its happening and were causing it, but by the time we are 100% sure it will be because it has progressed so far we cannot stop it.

Its called the precautionary principle

[benagain]

So you beleive that global warming is the truth and whole. I'm down with that. You act as though anyone beleiving anything else is insane or ignorant. That I have a problem with.
If you actually feel this way to your fellow man and can't have even the slightest open mind to someone elses opinions, then my freind you are an ass.

Until you can at least attempt to see things form another point of veiw or allow people to see if from theirs, then we will never get along.

Good luck with your long boring journey through life. I'm sorry to say I won't be walking down your road.

[slipknotpsycho]

I hope you arenâ??t calling me arrogant. You are correct, but you are also wrong. Science can find truths. Such as global warming, we have observed it happen. It is not speculation it is an observation. But I agree about things based on theories. Climate change, I agree, isnâ??t 100% sure. But it doesnâ??t matter. Rarely in human existence has not being 100% sure changed out action

If a doctor comes up to you and tells you your heart will fail within a month and you will die unless they operate. He isnâ??t 100% sure. The only way he could be 100% sure is if we waited for you to die, but then it is to late. The same goes for climate change, were very sure its happening and were causing it, but by the time we are 100% sure it will be because it has progressed so far we cannot stop it.

Its called the precautionary principle

we can't stop it anyways... i'm not saying we don't need to do our part to keep the planet moving as it was.... but you radicals, that think we have more more than about 2% control over WHEN it happens (notice i said when, not IF) are really 'barking up the wrong tree' just like if human life existed about the time the sun finally stops burning (research it, it will happen, the only question is when) you think half the world wouldn't try to find a way to keep it going, or otherwise find a way to preserve their own life?

you radicals just need to chill (no pun intended) because, it doesn't matter what we do, eventually it will happen... recycling some plastics/paper, or stop using CFC's in spray cans, or cutting off our gasoline powered cars, is not going to save the planet... as i said in the very begining, the planet will be fine, no matter what we throw at it... there's only one thing that will actually 'harm' the planet, and that's a huge ass asteriod/comet, which, scientists have been watching the path of a particular one (although there are thousands, if not millions out there that pose a threat to 'us') and it will hit us eventually... i don't remember if they have a calculation or not, but it's there, and it follows an orbit, and eventually earth's orbit, and this asteroid/comit will line up...

point of all this is (and the point you, and everyone who thinks we can actually make any thing other than a miniscule impact on it all) we can't change what's going to happen... you're making an extremely feeble attempt at stopping something, when there's absolutely no chance you can... is it that hard for the 'masses' to just realize some day, all life as we know it, will end?

edit: i don't nessicarily believe in what we know as 'global warming' all i believe in is global catastrophe, just as it has proved it's self real in the past, it will again... just had to get that out... i don't put names on 'the end', i don't feel it's simple enough to have a name... but that's my own opinion, maybe thousands of years from now, may be tommorow.. but life as we know it, will cease to exist...

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