9/11 US government conspiracy question

[harris7]

By Richard Heinberg, From Power Down 2004

Neo-conservatism is the intellectual offspring of Leo Strauss (1899-1973), a Jewish scholar who fled Hitler’s Germany and taught political science at the University of Chicago. According to Shadia Drury in LeoStrauss and the American Right, (Grifin 1999), Strauss advocated an essentially Machiavellian approach to governance.

He believed that:
-A leader must perpetually deceive those being ruled. Those who lead are accountable to no overarching system of morals, only to the right of the superior to rule in inferior.

-Religion is the force that binds society together, and is therefore the tool by which the ruler can manipulate the masses (any religion will do)

- Secularism in society is to be suppressed, because it leads to critical thinking and dissent.

- A political system can be stable only if it is united against an external threat, and that if no read threat exists, one should be manufactured

mmm mmm, lovin the the neo-cons

[HinduKush83]

Remember that George W. Bush is a minion and is not in full control, despite him believing that he is. Thats what daddy's cocaine will do.

I do believe that 9/11 was orchestrated by entities inside the US government. There were many reports of explosions going off in the WTC complex and there are bright flashes seen just right before the planes make impact. The planes that were "hijacked" going to NYC were said to be military craft. You can also see what looks like controlled demolitions going off as the buildings are crumbling down. The plane that was supposed to have crashed in Pennsylvania was supposedly shot down by an F-15 which explains the wreckage for miles and the supposed plane that hit the Pentagon was probably rerouted while a missile hit the Pentagon. It only created a 16 foot hole and there was hardly any fire on the ground from it. If it had all of that jet fuel, then the whole area should have been on fire for days, yet it was not. I have seen the video of the Pentagon wall crumbling down 20 minutes AFTER the impact! A plane could definitely have not hit the Pentagon. There were reports that people saw what looked like a cruise missile and not a plane. It would be very hard for a pilot to hit the Pentagon at that speed and that altitude.

Now if the government lied about the Pentagon, why should we believe them that Muslim hijackers used boxcutters and hijacked airplanes? Sounds more like propaganda to me.

Now I am not saying I hate America or that it is evil. Far from it. Most people in government and public service are good people. It's like having one or two bad members in a family. The US government just has a small sect (neo-cons aka "the crazies") that want to rule the world and impose US policy all over using US military power. Just read the Project For A New American Century's pamphlet and you will clearly see that they needed another Pearl Harbor to implement their policies and 9/11 was the "miracle" they needed.

I hate to admit it, but I am convinced that a small certain group of people rule the world. I know David Icke gets into this a lot. Alex Jones is more on the rational side, with David being more on the New Age spiritual side, but both pretty much believe in the same core principles that the world is headed for a one world fascist New World Order government.

[harris7]

It only created a 16 foot hole and there was hardly any fire on the ground from it. If it had all of that jet fuel, then the whole area should have been on fire for days, yet it was not. I have seen the video of the Pentagon wall crumbling down 20 minutes AFTER the impact! A plane could definitely have not hit the Pentagon. There were reports that people saw what looked like a cruise missile and not a plane. It would be very hard for a pilot to hit the Pentagon at that speed and that altitude.

Now if the government lied about the Pentagon, why should we believe them that Muslim hijackers used boxcutters and hijacked airplanes? Sounds more like propaganda to me..

I know man, i agree. There is some very strong evidence that contradicts the story that a plane hit the pentagon. As well, as i said b4 if the government wanted to greatly impact the credibility of the conspiracy theorists all they need to do is release one of the tapes they have of a "plane" hitting the building. But they dont.
Why?
Well with over 50% of New York city believing that the Gov. had a hand to play in 9/11 it would be greatly in their interest to release the tape. Yet they dont, i guess releasing the tape wouldn't help their situationâ?¦ wonder why that could be


:rasta:

[GotWake88]

What is to be gained? hmm

9/11 in effect granted Bush with more executive power than any President before him, with legislations such as Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act. It allowed him to get away with violating Foreign Intelligence Survellence Act of 1978.

There is no doubt that the Iraq War Resolution would not have passed pre-9/11. Where has all the money gone? WEAPONS CONTRACTS! To whom? Halliburton!

Larry Silverstein also signed an enormous insurance agreement specifically for terrorism in the weeks leading up to 9/11.

Put options on Boeing, Am Airlines, and United were 3-5 times the daily average in the week before 9/11.

Is there proof that it was an inside job? Probably not. Was there anything to gain from it? Certainly.

[HinduKush83]

What is to be gained? hmm

9/11 in effect granted Bush with more executive power than any President before him, with legislations such as Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act. It allowed him to get away with violating Foreign Intelligence Survellence Act of 1978.

There is no doubt that the Iraq War Resolution would not have passed pre-9/11. Where has all the money gone? WEAPONS CONTRACTS! To whom? Halliburton!

Larry Silverstein also signed an enormous insurance agreement specifically for terrorism in the weeks leading up to 9/11.

Put options on Boeing, Am Airlines, and United were 3-5 times the daily average in the week before 9/11.

Is there proof that it was an inside job? Probably not. Was there anything to gain from it? Certainly.

People forget the Reichstag fire incident which gave Adolf Hitler dictatorial powers in the name of "security". Hmmm...why does this sound so familiar?

[harris7]

One approach to look at the events of 9/11 would be to treat it like any other crime scene.
This is what the author of “crossing the rubicon” did. His first question is, “who benefited”. Strongly enough the US gov. probably benefited more than any other party involved. Very strange. Same with the owner of the towers, with his huge insurance policy. Wow, how often are the victims the largest beneficiary.
Anyways, I actually haven’t read the book, my father has. And he was very very skeptical of US gov. involvement b4 he read it and now he is “open to anything” because there is just so much evidence of their involvement.

If anyone seriously wants to learn about this topic. Or learn were us ”nut-jobs” are coming from, you should check out this book.


Link:
http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/books/item/books-978086571540/0865715408/Crossing+the+Rubicon+The+Decline+of+the+American+E mpire+at+t?ref=Search+Books%3a+'Crossing+the+Rubic on'

[TxRooster97]

9/11 wasn't totally geared for gaining oil in the middle east. The real reason was for real estate, ladies and gentlemen. Think about it. What better way to set up permanent military bases in "that region" than to have terrorists from "that region" attack your home land? You don't believe me? Didn't you know that the gov't. found their (terrorists) PAPER passports in the rubble that was hot enough to melt steel and retain a substantially high heat signature for almost 3 weeks?

As far as who to believe, I believe the men and women of the police departments, fire departments, port authority, rescue services, and employees in the towers. If these people say there were bombs going off, then I believe them. They have no reason to embelish the truth nor do they gain anything from their stories.

Sorry for the rant, just my $0.02. Have a great day y'all!

[cbdave]

When i first saw the conspiracy video i believed it, but then i realized that it was retarded for the US to do that, but i'm sceptacle that an airplane hit the pentagon.

[Zimzum]

Pentagon eyewitnesses Hundreds of eyewitness accounts of the pentagon. Most saw a large airliner hit it. This link is from a 9/11 research web site.

I too would like to see some CCTV footage of the impact. One reason I can think of of them not releasing any is that maybe there cameras were not working or recording at the time. Dummy cameras perhaps? To admit this would be a breach of security. And a reason to not show what they may not have. If it wasnt for people with cameras we probly would not have seen the first plane impact the first WTC tower. The time between both WTC buildings being hit was enough time for media outlets to set up shop with there cameras and better catch the impact of building two.

[xblackdogx]

Pentagon eyewitnesses Hundreds of eyewitness accounts of the pentagon. Most saw a large airliner hit it. This link is from a 9/11 research web site.

did you look at the pictures i put up of the pentagon?
that puts ANY eyewitness account of a large airliner
in question!