Understanding George Bush and USA foriegn policy

[Garden Knowm]

Seems like a good time for the move.......this has outlived its "lounge life".

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

ONE could have just taken a deep breath

iloveyou

[Psycho4Bud]

I did up until Redlocks post..........sorry!

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Torog]

I dont know why i expected more than recycled talking points and propaganda, but i hoped against hope.

Since you're in favor of ousting all dictators, I'm surprised you arent appalled at how bogged down we are in Iraq (a nation without WMD) while we more or less ignore Iran and North Korea, significantly more dangerous regimes WITH weapons of mass destruction. You know, it takes a big man to admit when his side is wrong, I absolutely loathe john kerry, and think he's an embarassment. However, the man served his country. Which of Georgie W's policies have you criticized?

You call me "elite", but isnt using your religion as a weapon and automatically taking the moral high ground because you believe in an invisible man in the sky just another kind of elitism?

If i'm 'elite' (l337), i'll take elitism based on facts, and careful consideration, not a book of fairy tales written thousands of years ago.

Isnt one of the tenets of christianity to "turn the other cheek"? Didnt jesus himself say that was the mark of a good person? Your war-happy attitude belies your self-proclaimed christianity. I guess you're more of a cafeteria christian, ignoring any tenets of the religion that affect your lifestyle, but still take all the pompousness that comes along with your religion.

Would jesus approve of the war in iraq? Or of george W bush's internationally-decried human rights abuses?

I seriously doubt it.

Howdy Kyrandian,

I've heard all of yer talking points too..99.9 % of em,are about making excuses for evildoers and why we must surrender to them.

Maybe you can explain to me,why it's best for some folks to languish under brutal tyranny..yet not so,for others ?

My chief gripe with President Bush,is the border issue and illegal immigrants.

First,ya say the Bible,is just a collection of fairy tales,written thousands of years ago,then ya turn around and chastise me,for not being a pacifist..what kind of sense,does that make ?

It's not up to me,to say what God or Jesus,will do in any given situation..all I can do,is to follow what God and Jesus,expect of us,as written in the Bible. The Book of Revelations,tells us that when Jesus returns,that He will not be turning the other cheek,He will be slaying the evildoers who continue to harm the innocent..because doing such,is the only way that peace can finally come about.

Have a good one ...

[Kyrandian]

Howdy Kyrandian,

I've heard all of yer talking points too..99.9 % of em,are about making excuses for evildoers and why we must surrender to them.

Maybe you can explain to me,why it's best for some folks to languish under brutal tyranny..yet not so,for others ?

My chief gripe with President Bush,is the border issue and illegal immigrants.

First,ya say the Bible,is just a collection of fairy tales,written thousands of years ago,then ya turn around and chastise me,for not being a pacifist..what kind of sense,does that make ?

It's not up to me,to say what God or Jesus,will do in any given situation..all I can do,is to follow what God and Jesus,expect of us,as written in the Bible. The Book of Revelations,tells us that when Jesus returns,that He will not be turning the other cheek,He will be slaying the evildoers who continue to harm the innocent..because doing such,is the only way that peace can finally come about.

Have a good one ...

Well, actually-- I did say that since we're in Iraq, we are incapable of dealing with iran and north korea-- 2 significantly more dangerous countries. There's a lot of bad people in the world torog, the united states cant be the police force of the world if they dont want it. Never once did i make excuses for our 'enemies', but your intentional vagueness and heavy reliance on biblical nonsense, including flat out lies about jesus christ, a peaceful man who you claim would slay evil doers, proves that you're a lunatic, and unworthy of further reply.


God is dead, and no one cares
If there is a hell, i'll see you there.




"when Jesus returns,that He will not be turning the other cheek,He will be slaying the evildoers who continue to harm the innocent..because doing such,is the only way that peace can finally come about."

thats sig worthy.

[Kyrandian]

Furthermore- there's a substantive difference between my FACTUAL presentation of problems caused by our illegal war in iraq, that we are creating more terrorists (the pentagon's words, not mine), That we are unable to deal with the rising crisis in north korea and Iran because the bulk of our forces are occupied in Iraq, a war that has made the united states no safer. If you havent heard of it, the Baker report made perfectly clear the situation in iraq is "Grave and deteriorating".

"Talking points" are statements based on absolutely nothing, usually echoed by rush limbaugh, bill o'reilly, or sean hannity and their type, things like "when ya say that America is worse than the arab-muslim jihadists..by granting them moral equivalancey and not holding them accountable for any death or mayhem."

I never said that. Ever. What you did is distort the truth, and make ignorant claims based on your poorly-conceived concept of my opinion on the war on terror. A lie is a lie is a lie.

Using opinions as facts, and blind faith are the refuge of a coward.

[Torog]

Well, actually-- I did say that since we're in Iraq, we are incapable of dealing with iran and north korea-- 2 significantly more dangerous countries. There's a lot of bad people in the world torog, the united states cant be the police force of the world if they dont want it. Never once did i make excuses for our 'enemies', but your intentional vagueness and heavy reliance on biblical nonsense, including flat out lies about jesus christ, a peaceful man who you claim would slay evil doers, proves that you're a lunatic, and unworthy of further reply.


God is dead, and no one cares
If there is a hell, i'll see you there.




"when Jesus returns,that He will not be turning the other cheek,He will be slaying the evildoers who continue to harm the innocent..because doing such,is the only way that peace can finally come about."

thats sig worthy.

Howdy Kryandian,

If ya don't believe that freedom is for everyone,then yer making excuses for tyranny to exist and thrive.

We can fight Iran and NK,if need be,with a draft to supplement our forces,with conventional and un-conventional weapons.

How would you know,that I'm making flat-out lies about Jesus,if ya don't read the collection of fairy tales that you despise so much ?

You declare that God is dead..God ain't dead..it's yer heart..that has died..along with yer soul..but it ain't too late to change that.

Have a good one ...

[GrowRebel]

The Book of Revelations,tells us that when Jesus returns,that He will not be turning the other cheek,He will be slaying the evildoers who continue to harm the innocent..because doing such,is the only way that peace can finally come about.

Have a good one ...

Howdy Torog ...... how's you? .... did you see me? I waved!

Torog you sound like Juda ... he wanted Jesus to slay the evildoers, but he refused .... he kept spouting this liberal surrender monkey garbage about loving them instead ... so Juda turned against him ... even though he was butalize and had the power to fight back .... he didn't he have an unkind word against them .... what a freaking liberal eh? .... if Jesus were to return he would speak of love and how we are all one and that we are not separate from All That Is or God as you like to call her.
He Knows that killing is not the way because he would be killing a part of himself and All That Is.

Garden has it right .... it's about Love .... killing has never been the way .... and we will never find peace through war.
Consciousness (thoughts, feeling and emotions) creates form .... quatum physics proofs this ... if you believe in war .... war is what you will have .... I willing to bet in Garden's world there is a great deal of love seen ....

.... and correct me if I'm wrong Garden about the work thing .... it's about the joy of doing .... not work .... right? .....

Torog .... try visualizing peace and love towards your fellow man .... what do you have to lose?

If Jesus were to return the same thing would happen he would speak of loving your enemy as you would love yourself .... that would piss you off .... you'd say he was a "false" God and have him put to death ..... again. :noel:

.... also why is it so terrible to talk in the political forum oppose to the lounge? What's the difference other that a mouse click?

Happy Holidays! :clap: :rastabong: :areindeer:

[Hamlet]

GrowRebel has a point there Torog. If you're gonna talk the talk, ya gotta walk the walk. ...or do you just believe the parts you want to believe?

[Kyrandian]

Ive been arguing that with him for 2 days, no ones defended me.

[Hamlet]

Ive been arguing that with him for 2 days, no ones defended me.

If you have strong arguments, no one needs to defend you...they speak for themselves. Besides Torog is so set in his conclusions that ten angels swearin' you were right wouldn't make him consider anything else for a second.