Understanding George Bush and USA foriegn policy

[Kyrandian]

Torog-- based on your avatar you're a ZZ top reject Jesus freak.. im guessing with that job your IQ is under 100, and im guessing you've been married 4-7 times.

But i gotta ask-- do you even believe your own hype? Like, there is no debate over whether or not george w is the worst president we've ever had. Never before has someone gutted education and science so much, started an illegal war, given TWO tax breaks to the rich during the war, shredded the constitution in the name of preserving the constitution and "freedom", george W is responsible for the deaths of at LEAST 500k Iraqi civilians. We convicted and executed saddam hussein for killing 127 people. Do you really think throwing around 'liberal' as an insult has ANY meaning to people? Maybe you should take some money out of your change cup and invest in a dictionary instead of blindly buying into whatever Karl Rove talking points you find on Fox news?


Just a suggestion.

[Torog]

Torog-- based on your avatar you're a ZZ top reject Jesus freak.. im guessing with that job your IQ is under 100, and im guessing you've been married 4-7 times.

But i gotta ask-- do you even believe your own hype? Like, there is no debate over whether or not george w is the worst president we've ever had. Never before has someone gutted education and science so much, started an illegal war, given TWO tax breaks to the rich during the war, shredded the constitution in the name of preserving the constitution and "freedom", george W is responsible for the deaths of at LEAST 500k Iraqi civilians. We convicted and executed saddam hussein for killing 127 people. Do you really think throwing around 'liberal' as an insult has ANY meaning to people? Maybe you should take some money out of your change cup and invest in a dictionary instead of blindly buying into whatever Karl Rove talking points you find on Fox news?


Just a suggestion.

Howdy Kyrandian,

Well..well..seems yer another one of them there snobby,elitist liberals,that always see's the glass as half-empty..lol. Working in the oil field,requires alot of training and expertise,probably beyond yer iq..and certainly much too labor intensive,for a whiney avoid-hard-work at all costs,elitist liberal,such as yer self. I've only been married once,I have a wonderful,26 year old daughter and I've been disabled for over 15 years now,because I finally wore out my back,from working hard to support my family. I'm also a Navy veteran,with 2 years of college,mostly in electronics.

I don't spew hype,I state my beliefs and convictions..and stand behind them..you see..unlike you-I stand for something,instead of swimming around in a sea of gray moral relativism. Unlike you,I will hold the enemies of freedom,accountable for their actions and will defeat them. I will not make excuses for evil to thrive and I will not sleep soundly,till everyone is free and at least as blessed as I am.

I don't "blindly follow" any man or his talking points..but I do follow God and His Son,Jesus Christ..without question.

So go ahead..call me a hick if ya want..it's just what I expect from shallow,elitist liberal snobs,such as yer self.

Have a good one ...

[Kyrandian]

I'd love if you could point out the part where i swam around in my moral grey area sea.

Isnt it better to have nuance than to believe in moral absolutes? I mean, if you're talking about morals, where's the morality in the war in Iraq? no ones arguing whether or not saddam was a bad guy, but do the costs really justify the means?

Funny how anytime a dumb hick gets called on it, he automatically lashes out with the liberal elite 'insult'. Guess who the world respects? The coastal united states. Guess who the world laughs at? southerners and midwesterners.

No comment on my laundry list of republican cowards and war cheerleaders, huh?

Shocked..

[Torog]

1. I have never worked a job.. i live....
2. I guess not.. I don't even know if I understand the question.. let alone what it means..

I apologize for not understanding, but I am eager to learn...

If I do understand, I would explain it like this.. I know that it is vital that I watch every breath... that I am conscious of LOVE,GOD,LIFE (all the same) 24 hours a day.. and yet I fall short of this task..

Have you ever been aware of yourself and every bvreath you take 24 hours a day for 10 days straight... lol.... iloveyou

There really is no room for error.... it's all LOVE or nothing..

iloveyou

3. OK

Howdy Garden Knowm,

You really should try and see how rewarding hard work is,it'll set ya straight..lol.

I'm glad that yer willing to learn and that ya love yer fellow Man..that's a good place to be.

I'm always keenly aware of the consequences of my decisions and actions,and aware that what we leave behind,after God calls us Home,that we leave the consequences of our actions and choices,with the living.

As a Christian,I love you too..but that ain't gonna keep me from being dissappointed over some of yer decisions,if I didn't care..I wouldn't bother.

I hope and pray,that you find some rock to build yer House on..you'll be even happier,if ya do.

Have a good one ! :jointsmile:

[Torog]

I'd love if you could point out the part where i swam around in my moral grey area sea.

Isnt it better to have nuance than to believe in moral absolutes? I mean, if you're talking about morals, where's the morality in the war in Iraq? no ones arguing whether or not saddam was a bad guy, but do the costs really justify the means?

Funny how anytime a dumb hick gets called on it, he automatically lashes out with the liberal elite 'insult'. Guess who the world respects? The coastal united states. Guess who the world laughs at? southerners and midwesterners.

No comment on my laundry list of republican cowards and war cheerleaders, huh?

Shocked..

Howdy Kyrandian,

The part where ya swim around in,is when ya say that America is worse than the arab-muslim jihadists..by granting them moral equivalancey and not holding them accountable for any death or mayhem.

I'll take moral absolutes over nuance,every single time.

By liberating Iraqi's from saddam and sons,brutal reign,satisfies the morality of doing such,same goes for Afghani's,suffering under the brutal reign of the taliban. Freedom ain't free..and is in fact-priceless.

As for who the world laughs at,I think that it's yer side,from where I stand..at us folks in fly-over country,don't make excuses and apologies,for those who attacked America on 9/11/01. I was born American..but I'm Southern,by the Grace of God.

As for yer laundry list,I hope it keeps ya warm at night..because I dang sure ain't gonna waste my time on why folks chose to do what they did,if they're wrong-God will judge them..all I want-is for every brutal dictator to be vanquished..be it in Iraq,Afghanistan,North Korea,China or Russia or Africa or Indonesia.

Have a good one ...

[MacWQ33]

LOL I love catching that segment on Letterman....he's such a fucking idiot.

To the Americans....please remind me once again why we voted him in not once, but twice?!?....What is wrong with us.....we're fucking idiots too.

Clinton for re-election!!!! LOL.

[RedLocks]

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[Psycho4Bud]

Seems like a good time for the move.......this has outlived its "lounge life".

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Kyrandian]

Howdy Kyrandian,

The part where ya swim around in,is when ya say that America is worse than the arab-muslim jihadists..by granting them moral equivalancey and not holding them accountable for any death or mayhem.

I'll take moral absolutes over nuance,every single time.

By liberating Iraqi's from saddam and sons,brutal reign,satisfies the morality of doing such,same goes for Afghani's,suffering under the brutal reign of the taliban. Freedom ain't free..and is in fact-priceless.

As for who the world laughs at,I think that it's yer side,from where I stand..at us folks in fly-over country,don't make excuses and apologies,for those who attacked America on 9/11/01. I was born American..but I'm Southern,by the Grace of God.

As for yer laundry list,I hope it keeps ya warm at night..because I dang sure ain't gonna waste my time on why folks chose to do what they did,if they're wrong-God will judge them..all I want-is for every brutal dictator to be vanquished..be it in Iraq,Afghanistan,North Korea,China or Russia or Africa or Indonesia.

Have a good one ...

I dont know why i expected more than recycled talking points and propaganda, but i hoped against hope.

Since you're in favor of ousting all dictators, I'm surprised you arent appalled at how bogged down we are in Iraq (a nation without WMD) while we more or less ignore Iran and North Korea, significantly more dangerous regimes WITH weapons of mass destruction. You know, it takes a big man to admit when his side is wrong, I absolutely loathe john kerry, and think he's an embarassment. However, the man served his country. Which of Georgie W's policies have you criticized?

You call me "elite", but isnt using your religion as a weapon and automatically taking the moral high ground because you believe in an invisible man in the sky just another kind of elitism?

If i'm 'elite' (l337), i'll take elitism based on facts, and careful consideration, not a book of fairy tales written thousands of years ago.

Isnt one of the tenets of christianity to "turn the other cheek"? Didnt jesus himself say that was the mark of a good person? Your war-happy attitude belies your self-proclaimed christianity. I guess you're more of a cafeteria christian, ignoring any tenets of the religion that affect your lifestyle, but still take all the pompousness that comes along with your religion.

Would jesus approve of the war in iraq? Or of george W bush's internationally-decried human rights abuses?

I seriously doubt it.

[Garden Knowm]

Howdy Garden Knowm,

1. You really should try and see how rewarding hard work is,it'll set ya straight..lol.

2.I'm glad that yer willing to learn and that ya love yer fellow Man..that's a good place to be.

3.I'm always keenly aware of the consequences of my decisions and actions,and aware that what we leave behind,after God calls us Home,that we leave the consequences of our actions and choices,with the living.

As a Christian,I love you too..but that ain't gonna keep me from being dissappointed over some of yer decisions,if I didn't care..I wouldn't bother.

I hope and pray,that you find some rock to build yer House on..you'll be even happier,if ya do.

Have a good one ! :jointsmile:

1. WORK.. it seems we may need to define that word...
My life is my practice.. practice.. practicing to be LOVING.... that has forunatley.. been an amazing experience that has allowed me to create a BODY that is freaking KAK DIESEL.. a freaky specimen of sorts.... and goose bumps and giggles of rewards.... weather I am picking up dog poop, climbing a tree to get down a frissbee, bathing an old man, being a nanny, digging holes, or recieveing an award from Salma Hayek for best film... it is always LOVE... always practice... I have heard the word WORK.. my whole life... yet I have never experienced WORK...

2. thank you

3. great... that is fantastic... How does ONE know (be aware) what effect THEIR actions will have?

You are LOVE