way too loose, to get it tight when you're rolling keep your thumb on the side where the tokehole is, like pressed down, and slowly roll the side that isn't the tokehole, then after it wraps around once, just move your thumb and quickly roll the tokehole side, then you have a nice small tokehole and a slower burning spliff.........if you get it, you get it, if you don't, you don;t lol