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    #1
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    Fox hunting and smoking in public

    Over the last few days, the government have decided to ban smoking in ublic places, and fox hunting. The bans will come into place over the next few years.

    Now, i'm in another dilemma (dialemma, dillema, lol).. I mean, I hate fox hunting.. in fact, I hate hunting altogether. But, it's my opinion that man - and society as a whole - won't get anywhere whilste more and more things are being banned. The more things that get banned, the more it shows that the state doesnt trust us, and is in fact controlling us rather than serving us.. after all, the state is made for man, not man for the state. So, I disagree with fox hunting as I disagree with any kind of murder.. I disagree with people smoking in public if in a group of non-smokers.. I mean, I also disagree with abortion and herion, but i dont think they should be banned.. i was wondering what you guys think?
    GHoSToKeR Reviewed by GHoSToKeR on . Fox hunting and smoking in public Over the last few days, the government have decided to ban smoking in ublic places, and fox hunting. The bans will come into place over the next few years. Now, i'm in another dilemma (dialemma, dillema, lol).. I mean, I hate fox hunting.. in fact, I hate hunting altogether. But, it's my opinion that man - and society as a whole - won't get anywhere whilste more and more things are being banned. The more things that get banned, the more it shows that the state doesnt trust us, and is in Rating: 5

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    #2
    Senior Member

    Fox hunting and smoking in public

    haha, GHoST...

    I was gonna write a whole shit-load of stuff about this very subject, but unfortunately (or, fortunately, depending on my viewpoint ) time has eluded me.

    I will reply later (ie, when I return from work), but for now I will say this.

    Fox Hunting is a barbaric as it was tossing Christians to the lion in Roman times.
    It should be banned - wholly, and without reservation.

    Smoking in public - is it not about consideration towards your fellow man?
    For instance, I smoke in my car, but if I had just one non-smoker (unless they consented to such) I would not smoke. I would consider their feelings, and would have no problem at all about refraining. Similarly, in my own home, I would do the same - or go outside. It's no problem.
    However - there are certain places where smoking is part of that particular social ethos (pubs, clubs, etc), therefore, surely the minority should respect the majority. No one forces anyone to go into a smoky pub or club, and it really pisses me off that some one person can dictate the actions of the whole.

    This government is a fucking pathetic excuse of an organisation.
    I will also be destroying my TESCO Clubcard, and all other such 'loyalty' crap - because, in light of what that jumped-up prick of a home secretary David Blunkett said, I can no longer trust that my information and goings on are confidential - surely a breach of the terms and conditions, of which I will be studying later.

    I am as law-abiding a citizen as I can be, but I strongly object to the increase in 'Big Brother' tactics that this government (and in the US) are adopting.

    Anyway, time has gone...laters everyone....lol
    (expect a vehement rant on this and other relative subjects...FFS!!!)

    Nanny-state, or what!!!

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    #3
    Senior Member

    Fox hunting and smoking in public

    im with you on that ghost

    peace man

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    #4
    Senior Member

    Fox hunting and smoking in public

    I just got back from a stimulating psychology class about how people form their morals and the abortion part got me thinking.
    If any of you are know about Lawrence Kohlbergs Theory about peoples moral steps of development. Well he thingks that we go in stages and progress as we get older.

    Lots of people speed and wouldn't speed if the cop was riding right infront of you. So they would be considered in stage 2 which is a stage like 10 yr olds are considered in I thought that that was funny. But I also think there is nothing wrong with speeding hence becasue I do it so I find myself in that stage sometimes.
    Anyways
    what I am getting at was to bring up a subject that has been looming in our society for awhile and annalyze your guys moral stages....lol okay maybe not the annalyze part.
    What do you think about capitol punishment.
    stage 6 people are suppose to realize the rights of others hence thinking that if we kill them then we are just bowing to their level and thus no better then the killer. BUT then the other side of the coin is getting rid of the killer preserves the rights of the greates number and stops someone who is killing others.

    As for abortion Ghost I will have to admitt that I am pro-choice I think that a women should have complete reproductive control. When she wants to have sex, the chance for safe use of contraceptives and knowledge about them. She should also have the choice to abort her unborn fetus.
    I know you said you don't think it should be banned you just don't agree. I'm just stating what I think.
    As for government and abortion I think its sick. It has happend that certain countries will not allow abortions becasue they are in a time of war and they want replacements. THAT IS HORRIBLE!! What about the women who could die if they had a baby or from a rapist and they don't want the child.
    Oh jeez
    I could go on but I think I better just shut my mouth lol

    okay I'm done!

    Peace

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    #5
    Senior Member

    Fox hunting and smoking in public

    Dont get me started on the Smoking ban!!!

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    #6
    Senior Member

    Fox hunting and smoking in public

    i think its wierd how Governments are always itching to ban something, BAN IT, BAN IT, BAN IT!! but never willing to go in the other direction and give people their own choice.. sigh

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    #7
    Senior Member

    Fox hunting and smoking in public

    agreed ghost
    *sighs with ghost*

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    #8
    Senior Member

    Fox hunting and smoking in public

    Ok *does that thing where you lock yer fingers together and make yer knuckles crack*


    *does that thing where you regret cracking yer knuckles..ouch *

    FOX HUNTING
    Whom-so-ever thinks that chasing a creature (in this case, a fox) to the point of terrified exhaustion, before taking pleasure in watching said creature get torn to pieces by a pack of frenzied hounds, is quite seriously of questionable moral standing.
    Those people will cry out at their percieved 'injustice' of interfering with a 'traditional sport'.
    The same people would argue that they are ridding the countryside of 'vermin' - even though most of the foxes used are either bred specifically for the 'sport', or are drafted in from towns and cities.
    These people (imo) should be viewed with the same contempt afforded to murderers and terrorists.

    It is banned, and jolly good job too!

    SMOKING IN PUBLIC PLACES - BANNED!!!
    I whole-heartedly agree with a total ban on smoking in such places as restaurants, etc (see previous post also).
    However, as GHoST said earlier, this goverment seems hell-bent upon telling us what we can and cannot do. We're not allowed to smoke weed, because we might harm ourselves. We're not allowed to use such words as 'Christmas', because we might offend ethnic minorities. We're not allowed to put up our national flag, because we might appear to be racist.

    I'm sorry, but my grandad and grandmother, were just two of the millions of people who fought a war against someone who thought to control the world by dictatorship. Many others paid the price of fighting for the 'freedom' that we enjoy today, with their lives. The ultimate price, for the good of the world and it's people.

    dictatorship

    n : a form of government in which the ruler is an absolute dictator (not restricted by a constitution or laws or opposition etc.)

    Ok, it's not quite there yet...but how much longer will it be, before we are in a state controlled environment, the likes of which those people of WW2 fought so hard to prevent?

    I am quickly losing faith in the way this country is being run, and how my life is fast becoming one of less freedom. This government (to which there seems to be no viable alternative) is rapidly becoming a controlling entity, that seeks to be our 'Nanny'.

    What happened to choice?
    What happened to democracy?

    Rant over

    Goosebear:
    I had a debate once before about capital punishment (not on this forum btw, so don't think you're making me go over old ground ).
    You must consider the psyche of one who would kill. To arrive at a point that makes that person decide to kill another person (except in self-defence), is to arrive at a point where consequence is no longer an issue for consideration. Therefore, the threat of capital punishment is no longer a deterrent to that person, rendering it null and void. I do agree, however, that that perpetrator should be cast from society - and hanging would be too good for them.
    In summary, then - capital punishment will never be a deterrent, as most people would like to think, rather it should just be a punishment - or consequence. In other words (sorry, starting to ramble lol), bringing back capital punishment will NEVER stop the rate of murders (or associated crimes).

    I do agree with your views on abortion.
    Surely the right of choice should lie with those that such a thing affects.
    I would question whether it should be solely the woman's choice (although the final say has to be with her, obviously), but all too often, the man has NO choice - and surely that is an infringment upon the man's right of choice.
    That said, contraception should always be the proper approach, and if the man don't want a baby, then he should wrap up Mr Tiddler - same goes for the woman.
    All too often, a bloke will say summat like "but she said she was on the pill!!!"...tough shit, dude, YOU didn't want it, so YOU should take the responsibility, regardless of what the girl says.

    Ok, I'm done now
    Hope I didn't bore anyone to sleep....SHIT!! It's Friday, already
    lmaooo

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    #9
    Senior Member

    Fox hunting and smoking in public

    Quote Originally Posted by RESiNATE

    You must consider the psyche of one who would kill. To arrive at a point that makes that person decide to kill another person (except in self-defence), is to arrive at a point where consequence is no longer an issue for consideration. Therefore, the threat of capital punishment is no longer a deterrent to that person, rendering it null and void. I do agree, however, that that perpetrator should be cast from society - and hanging would be too good for them.
    In summary, then - capital punishment will never be a deterrent, as most people would like to think, rather it should just be a punishment - or consequence. In other words (sorry, starting to ramble lol), bringing back capital punishment will NEVER stop the rate of murders (or associated crimes).
    now that's logic!

    damn lol

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    #10
    Senior Member

    Fox hunting and smoking in public

    It is banned, and jolly good job too!

    No kidding i was a veggie for awhile, yeah what a terrible sport.

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