If God is real, why are there atheists?

[Immolation]

Why would God entrust Sinners to spread his word? Couldn't he have found a better way.If a god exists wouldn't he know what evidence would suffice to convince an atheist.:wtf:

[blunt roller]

Originally Posted by orange floyd
what proof and substance do you have for there being a God?
If god was real, there would be evidence.


If u look at the universe, it's kind of hard not to believe in God. stars, planets, life, black holes, galaxies, quasars, plasma, all kind of light (EMS) ....
.....all from an infinitly small point. this whole universe is proof and substance of God.the laws of the universe(motion,physics,ect) are the evidence.

[peacetrain]

If there is a God/God-esque creator entity, I don't think it would be anything like any religion has described it.

Think about how many religions there have been in the history of the world. The difference between Religion and Mythology is time period. In fact, our time periods Gods are pretty boring compared to the ancient ones. At least the old ones had a little fun, and you had a variety of pretend people in the sky to choose from.

[A Scanner Darkly]

Humans are the only species so full of themselves as to create a god. "Oooh, we're so important, we must have been put here for a reason!"

Truth be told, I'm not a fan of the human race thus far. Face it, we suck. What other species murders for personal gain (not food)? What other species treat each other the way we treat other humans?

We beat the shit out of this planet like a virus, spreading. Always spreading and multiplying. Shit, I just erased a bunch of text that wasn't going anywhere, but the point was supposed to be this: taking into account that 99% of all species that have ever existed on this planet are extinct, I can only hope that humans will soon end up on that list (of course, then a list wouldn't exist because there'd be no one to write it).

A world without humans would be a wonderful world, indeed.

[Zspecdrifter]

I've read most of your arguments and you all have some very strong ones, such as uniter we fall, as well as Mr.devious. However the two things that both of you are concluding is that god cannot be disproven or proven, which both of you said. I've come to that conclusion as well, and do not like the concept of there not being something that happen after life. Someone on here has a sig about it, by the flaming lips. Im not sure of their being a god by any means, but there must be something that happens after death. A good argument I heard earlier is that energu cannot be destroyed. The buddhist faith I believe says you will always exist more or less. Which is true, but kind of sucks because your existing as a rock or other item that doesnt really excite me. Anyway conclusion, you always exist in a physical sense. However spiritual Im uncertain of. Id like to believe so. A human mind is a terrible thing to ultimately destroy and be done with.

[mrdevious]

I don't see the wind but i belive its there cuz I feel it sumtimes I don't see GOD but i believe in him cuz i could feel his presence

Suppose the schizophrenic believes in the underpants knomes, is his belief valid because he feels them? When I was a wee little kid sometimes on christmas eve I could swear I could "feel" Santa's presence near my house, but I don't suppose that makes him real now. The difference between god and the wind is that the wind is felt physically, and universally, by all human beings. It is detactable by scientific measurements, we've isolated and labeled it's molecular compounds, it is experienced universally by humans, and we have a tendency to die when we can't breath it anymore. To "feel" god is only a mental event, like the underpants knomes (southpark referrence btw). It could actually be god, or it could be one of the many delusions the mind can create when it believes something. You don't need to be crazy to have that happen, just believe in something strongly enough.

and most of the logic and important things that i have asked God for I received them

You asked god for logic? I suppose logic is pretty flexible at that point.

......and why do people belive the newspaper and other non-fiction books

I don't think most believe the newspaper as the absolute truth, but as a relatively credible one since the events described have witnessess, pictures, and video to back it up.

but they don't believe in the bible wich was one of the first books in da world

There are many religious books that existed thousands of years before it actually. A lot of those religions just died off though.

and has 66 books written all in different times from different people inspired by God and it all talks about the same thing and it makes sense

Well, not perfect sence, it does have a tendency to contradict itself every so often. And of course there are a lot of events that are single, supernatural events like noah's ark or adam and eve, that have no relation to each other.
It's still not that astounding that it makes sense though, since these multiple writings had to have a single editor who put them all together who could pick and choose as he liked. In fact almost every tale in the bible dealing with the supernatural can be found in another version in an older mythology. Plus many aspects, like december 25, sunday, and Jesus's deification were adapted from pagan beliefs to unite the two prominant European faiths under one religion.

If u look at the universe, it's kind of hard not to believe in God. stars, planets, life, black holes, galaxies, quasars, plasma, all kind of light (EMS) ....
.....all from an infinitly small point. this whole universe is proof and substance of God.the laws of the universe(motion,physics,ect) are the evidence.

This reasoning is so bothersome. Instead of "the universe is so complex, lets see what causes it to be so", people just interpret everything to match up with their presupposition and say "the universe is so complex, that proves god did it!". That proves nothing. We could think up infinite explanations for why the universe is so complex, and there are probably many that we haven't even come close to understanding yet. There are so many logical physical systems in the unviverse that would create such complexity, and there are undoubtedly more to be discovered. Instead people latch on to the only one their brains can understand at the moment. You can't simply pick the one you like because it fits. Watch this:

"trillions of invisible pixies fly around the universe putting it together, and they're responsible for the complexity of life as well".
Well damn, look at black holes, stars, quazars, ecosystems... it all fits perfectly with the pixie theory. So just look around you, the pixie proof is everywhere. anybody want to start a religion around me? I mean come on, every physical system can be explained by the pixies, I clearly have all the answers.

[PureEvil760]

Everyone is from one consiousness which is God. If you relize that you share this connection its like wanting to hurt others or wanting to hurt yourself would seem very irrational.

[mrdevious]

Everyone is from one consiousness which is God. If you relize that you share this connection its like wanting to hurt others or wanting to hurt yourself would seem very irrational.

That's not far off from my beliefs PureEvil. Well, maybe I'd call them "suspicions" or something, few answers on such a scale are definitive. I don't so much feel we're "from" one consciousness though, so much as there's a "god consciousness", a higher mental existence that unites us and would completely unite us if we all somehow attained it. Everyone's so stuck on us coming from god, few seem to consider god coming from us. I'm not really an atheist, just a deityist. Good to hear your input.

[peacetrain]

Humans are the only species so full of themselves as to create a god. "Oooh, we're so important, we must have been put here for a reason!"

Truth be told, I'm not a fan of the human race thus far. Face it, we suck. What other species murders for personal gain (not food)? What other species treat each other the way we treat other humans?

We beat the shit out of this planet like a virus, spreading. Always spreading and multiplying. Shit, I just erased a bunch of text that wasn't going anywhere, but the point was supposed to be this: taking into account that 99% of all species that have ever existed on this planet are extinct, I can only hope that humans will soon end up on that list (of course, then a list wouldn't exist because there'd be no one to write it).

A world without humans would be a wonderful world, indeed.

I've actually read about theories that humans and all other species are just a highly complex form of bacteria (makes sense, since we're full of bacteria). And that all of our passions, and desires, and things we do to perpetuate our existence and survival is to spread the bacteria. Looking at any major city, it's hard not to see it as a virus on the body that is earth.