If God is real, why are there atheists?

[Reefer Rogue]

I see what you're saying, [I mis understood] but would you want, or even like a life w/o mystery? I think it would be kinda dull . . .


~Junk~

It's all good, i didn't explain myself learly the first time.

I like mystery sometimes, then again i like explanations. These answers are never easy are they? :rasta:

[JunkYard]

Nope

:smokin:

[BlueCat]

Heck, we could learn from him, Ghandi, Jesus, [John Lennon] and a host of other beacons, so why don't we? Perhaps we are too enveloped in our own philosophies to gain anything from them . . .

I read somwhere that it's best to seek first to understand, then to be understood. Many of us [me included] are so busy trying to push our own views that we fail to hear what others are even saying. Maybe we should just sit back and listen sometimes...




Much Love BlueCat,


~Junk~

Words of wisdom...absolutely.:clap:

Beaming the love right back,

Cat

[mrdevious]

i am god

end of subject

Really? Prove it

disprove it!

[da5mikeY]

I'm catholic and I go to a catholic high school and have religion class everyday, and I tell my teacher that I lose faith everytime I go to his class because the shit he teaches is ridiculous...and I used to be semi religious too. But I do believe there is a God he just is leaving it up to us to figure shit out...I don't know it's too confusing.

[muordeeb]

Well to me there has to be a God or something greater than we are. There has to be some kind of intelligence underlying all natural functions. Look at the human body, in the electron transport chain how is the oxygen molecule in the right place at the right time to accept its electrons, if this doesn't happen your entire life you will sufficate from the inside. There is intelligence there. You see to me we all blame God for all our shortcomings and our wrongs, but the whole time we have forgotten about the anti-god, some call him satan,naatas,beelzebuub,iblyis. One of satans greatest feat is deceiving to world to make you think he doesn't exist.


Some people need proof to believe in something greater than them. Many a year ago people believed that the world was flat when it had been round or becoming round for 9 billion years. Some people would not believe in microorganism if not for the microscope. People just need to think. There is no instrument or machine to measure the presence of this intelligence, but it is there. See you on the other side.:rastasmoke:

[BlueCat]

Ok so where IS satan? AND don't tell me the center of the earth cause I ain't buying...Tell me he is in the White House I might listen

[mrdevious]

ok I'm extremely high here so my thoughts won't be all together, but...

Well to me there has to be a God or something greater than we are. There has to be some kind of intelligence underlying all natural functions. Look at the human body, in the electron transport chain how is the oxygen molecule in the right place at the right time to accept its electrons, if this doesn't happen your entire life you will sufficate from the inside. There is intelligence there.

The problem atheists have here is the methodology behind the assumptions. Besides the fact that there are advanced evolutionary explanations for all that, even assuming evolution never occured..... this whole intelligence-theory doesn't actually have anything to back it up. There could be any number of theories as to why there's such complexity in life, any number of explanations that science can't yet explain, countless mechanisms within the very fabric of reality, the workings throughout this universe we barely understand. saying there is an intelligent designer is simply an easy answer, the only one we can comprehend at the moment and so therefor interpreted as "proof". But simply because it's the only answer many people can think of, isn't proof, it's just assumption that the hypothesis is correct.

Suppose that consciousness is actually the purest form for the fabric of certain dimensions of reality. Suppose the fabric of this dimensional plane, being related to consciousness, has a sort of "conscious" understanding of the universe, but without the ego which creates a sense of "self" that makes us individuals. This fabric then replicates itself, through unknown processes, by creating a complexity through manipulating matter at the quantum level, which would lead to the result of us, human beings, being the most advanced form of consciousness and therefor on the highest-of-yet-achieved self-replication of this dimension which affects all reality.

now that was a pretty wild theory, but it's a logically plausible explanation in relation to acceptable methodology, especially since we can't yet understand all the mechanisms at work and how they work in themselves. But this is not simply accepted as the answer, because I would now need to prove it. The point is, we can imagine infinite explanations for the complexity of life, "intelligence" being the easiest one doesn't make it right, anymore than anything else I or you or anybody can conjure up.

God, quite simply, is man's primitive way of explaning things when the real processes are too complex for us to yet understand. It's a scapegoat for real exploration, one that's been around as long as human history and has undeniably stunted scientific and even philisophical growth by indoctrinating us with the easy answer.

You see to me we all blame God for all our shortcomings and our wrongs, but the whole time we have forgotten about the anti-god, some call him satan,naatas,beelzebuub,iblyis. One of satans greatest feat is deceiving to world to make you think he doesn't exist.

I've heard that many times, but this is another example of how people can be convinced using the premise as the conclusion. By making a statement that our non-belief in satan is satan's greatest trick, you already work under the assumption that satan exists to assume that it's correct that satan's apparent non-existence is the result of his deception.

Some people need proof to believe in something greater than them. Many a year ago people believed that the world was flat when it had been round or becoming round for 9 billion years. Some people would not believe in microorganism if not for the microscope. People just need to think. There is no instrument or machine to measure the presence of this intelligence, but it is there. See you on the other side.:rastasmoke:

Your right, people do need to think. And I honestly believe that indoctrinating the masses to accept the commonly held belief because it's the only currently available answer, is what stunts our ability to think and progress in our understanding. People rightly didn't think there were micro-organisms, because there was no available evidence to make such a conclusion, pointing more toward ignorance of knoweldge than denial of a belief. But people also don't believe that there's an invisible flying spegetti monster roaming space, for the simple reason that there's still no logical reason to believe that the spagetti monster's out there. There are infinite things we did and didn't believe, and as time progresses we learn to separate the real from the non-real as we discover things like the micro-organisms. Hence, you can't simply say that god's existence is plausible simply because we're always discovering new knowledge, otherwise everything is equally plausible that we don't yet have proof for the existence of.


Humanity, if it progresses much further in thought, will innevitably have to realize that the complexity of existence doesn't have nice easy answers that we're able to comprehend at the time being. God needs real evidence to support his existence, not just assumption because we can't currently come up with a better answer; history has had COUNTLESS easy-answers for things we couldn't currently explain, like Thor hammering his anvil to explain thunder, or bad chi's to explain all disease, or pinholes in the sky at night giving us a tiny glimpse into heaven (this was a popular explanation for stars). One day, I hope more than hope, humanity will find the answers by exploration of how we can manipulate this existence, rather than just easy and primitive answers that distract us from the real answers.

[muordeeb]

People are going to believe what they are going to believe. Man only wants to believe in his abilities and nothing greater. I don't need proof to realize I am just a dirty bag of tissue and water and something greater than I created us. Man at this point in time can clone anything, and I'm sure that in another 10,000 years man will be able to create man from dirt just like the creator did, and we only use 7-10% of our white matter. Man right now is a creator. You see to me we are God but we haven't evolved enough yet to use more of a % of our brain.
It's not as complicated as you are making it out to be. What is reality and when have you experienced another dimension of reality?
It's all babble. Believe me the Earth isn't flat.


See you on th other side.:rastasmoke:

[MastaChronic]

People are going to believe what they are going to believe. Man only wants to believe in his abilities and nothing greater. I don't need proof to realize I am just a dirty bag of tissue and water and something greater than I created us. Man at this point in time can clone anything, and I'm sure that in another 10,000 years man will be able to create man from dirt just like the creator did, and we only use 7-10% of our white matter. Man right now is a creator. You see to me we are God but we haven't evolved enough yet to use more of a % of our brain.
It's not as complicated as you are making it out to be. What is reality and when have you experienced another dimension of reality?
It's all babble. Believe me the Earth isn't flat.


See you on th other side.:rastasmoke:

so basically what your saying is that your just going to completely ignore mr.d's analogies and go on assuming (without any evidence) that something created you?
let me ask you this: who created god? who created the creator of god? who created that creator?
something intelligent cant just spring up out of nowhere, thats why there can be no god.(credits to some book that i dont remember the title of)