sorry I didnt read all of the comments, but I had to say this. Like someone said on the first page, one of the two things our minds cannot comprehend is infinite and all that is being argued over, going back and forth, new ideas, old ideas, is all part of infinite. Something our minds CANNOT comprehend, making all these ideas part of something, untill death(maybe), we cannot COMPREHEND! What Im saying is, if you all agree we cannot comprehend infinite, that this thread is getting no where to an answer, just expanding off of infinite ideas. :rasta: