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12-23-2006, 09:32 PM #11
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If God is real, why are there atheists?
Sounds good to me.If there was evidence, then this life would be easy, everyone would believe in God, and there would be no evil.
No, people analyse this so-called "evidence" and can point out the gaping logical flaws in other people's interpretation of is. And when this "evidence" is proven to be false, theists simply ignore and continue to spout the same non-sensicle arguments.There is some evidence, but people just chose to ignore it.
The bible is a book of mythology that claims certain people, dieties, and events occured. The shere existence of a book is not evidence, otherwise all the Roman mythology, Egyptian's Ra, Viking's Thor, and Shintoist spirits in rocks are "evidence" as well. You can't claim something is evidence if it is dependent on faith, then it is just faith. Faith is nothing more than giving in, turning off the part of your brain that questions, and believing because you've put devotion to an ideal before critical reasoning.The Bible is meant to be evidence, but people lack faith and say it is not because it is "just a book, why should I believe what it says?".
So essentially: "If that many people believe it, it must be true!". That's just silly. At one time more pagan's existed than christians, so how could all those people be wrong? In fact all those millions of believers were proof in and of themselves I guess.Millions of Christian people with masses of faith who are living the way of Christ are meant to be evidence, but when they try to teach people their ways, they're just said to be annoying preachers.
All this shows is that people are willing to turn off their brains and believe something because everybody else does. Hence why we have religion, George Bush as president, the rise of Nazi's, racism etc etc etc....
In this world, no one is going to believe in God unless he comes to down to Earth, picks up a mountain and yells "I AM GOD, NOW CAN YOU BELIEVE IN ME?".
So why doesn't he? "Then there would be no need for faith", right? Well nobody's ever answered why we need faith, why god rewards those who just turn off their reasoning and believe something because everybody around them has told them to do so. Just imagine if you lived in a culture that never heard of god. You're 42 years old, have no religion, then one day some guy tries to convince you all this "god" stuff is true. The only reason he'll give is "you just have to have faith", telling you believing without consideration is, in and of istself, a virtue. Heck, pretend that same scenario applies to my trying to convince you Thor, the blacksmith of the gods exists. Would you just take my word for it because I said there's rewards to be wrought if you do? It's entirely circular logic.
That's right, becauese everybody should "keep finding excuses" as you put it. When every single reason to believe in this supposed diety has an obvious and glarring flaw in its reasoning, we're going to come to the logical conclusion that it's made up and the stories are based on false pretenses. Faith is just a mystical way of saying "just believe because you want to". It's an insult to human intellect, and damaging to it as well as it teaches kids that it's ok to believe something just because you want to.Face it - mere evidence is not enough. Atheists will continue to find excuses to why God doesn't exist, when all it takes is a little faith.
Couldn't agree more. But that doesn't prove god exists, that's a moral guide to living a good life. And god, whether some monotheists like to push it or not, does not have a monopoly on morality.It isn't about material evidence. It's about living a positive life. "Do unto others."
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