Quote Originally Posted by UnitedWeFall
What's the alternative? If we didn't have free will, we would be robots, and there would be absolutely no point to this life.
looks to me United that your belief has followed what you desire to believe...


let me lay something out there for ya'll to think about,

Does god have free will.

--now wait one second the answer isn't as obvious as you think. Most believers will automatically answer yes to this. Because they see free will as a good thing and they want their god to have it. So lets pause for some rational thought.

If god was all-good (as in infinitely good), all-powerful, and all-knowing. Would this god have free will.


No, i would not think so. This god would be barred from making any decision other than the "best one". (best as in maximizing good)

I also believe that if this god existed then humans would not only be not ??free? but would be 100% determined by god. Ie. God would have control and would have essentially decided everything for everyone.

Some interesting philosophical though follows. this is the kind of shit i was hoping to get into on these forums back a while ago.

When creating the earth and universe this god would be "forced" to create the best one. Yet this planet is full of evil? hmmm. Is this possible if god exists?
(this is the problem of evil)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil

(please rebut, or ask any question??s, or I guess you could ask for my arguments for these conclusions )