The future of Mankind...

[lagstronaut]

i find it hard to believe that mankind will drive itself to extinction. it's a cliche line that narrow minded people with no comprehension of the big picture say because well, they can't actually decide for themselves what they think will happen, but rather relay other peoples thoughts and tired "bleak future" predictions.

The last World Wars were fought using weapons that were top-notch at the time. Weapons that are top-notch now are at the very minimum nuclear capable, not to mention germ warfare. You think with all the tension and hate these nuclear-equipped countries have is just going to cool off?

In my opinion it takes "narrow minded people with no comprehension of the big picture" to say that these weapons that could destroy the world 10 times over are never going to be used and those who own these weapons also are just going to let them sit underground and rot away. Billions of dollars have been spent for a reason, not because Country A wants to be best friends with Country B. Ever study history? All it takes is a spark to set this all off, and the way the Middle East, Americas, Koreas, etc are all intertwined it very much reminds me of the tensions between countries 90 and 70 years ago


People don't say "history always repeats itself" just because they think weed being illegal is a replica of the Alcohol Prohibition years ago, you know

[TokinAsianGuy]

oh i never said they wouldn't be used. but i tell you now grasshopper, these weapons cannot destroy earth 10 times over. you don't have to trust me to believe me, just have some common sense.

boo hoo, nuclear war is going to be the end of us all. not likely, it'll kill alot of humans and damage the earth, but take a look at how much japan has prospered since they were attacked... and you're definitely right, history will repeat itself. we will keep fighting, and people will keep dying, kamikaze style... but eventually, like i said, the "big picture", when the armed forces of the world are exhausted, they will eventually turn their focus onto other things. for example, better filtration technology to filter out the radioactive particles that is in water... (after the nuclear weapons have blown a few pock mocks on the earths surface)

. You think with all the tension and hate these nuclear-equipped countries have is just going to cool off?

Yes. everything "cools off" eventually. it's a fact.

Ever study history?

Yes, and English, and that was a very weak attempt at being condescending.

People don't say "history always repeats itself" just because they think weed being illegal is a replica of the Alcohol Prohibition years ago, you know

people say alot of things don't they?

if you want to believe that every event that's occuring right now is building up to bring on the "end of the world", "judgement day", "the dawn of the dead", whatever, be a drama queen. but when you realise that it's just another anti climactic battle, i hope you remember what i've said on christmas eve 2006, and smile because you know what? everything is gonna be alright even though we have to go through some rough ass shit first.

[Its a Plant]

Mark Twain's novel A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court is fairly relevant to this topic, and it's a good read either way.

In the book, Twainy boy called out contemporary society for depending too heavily on the machines/technology everyone went nuts for.

And if you know the story, things all come to a crashing end in Camelot, symbolic of OUR society. And this was the late 1800s.

Things eventually come to a head. It's only a matter of time, and really, how the people use their power. ~

[lagstronaut]

oh i never said they wouldn't be used. but i tell you now grasshopper, these weapons cannot destroy earth 10 times over. you don't have to trust me to believe me, just have some common sense.

You seriously don't think anyone on this planet has a weapon capable of taking out a chunk of a country? Because if that weapon does exist, then most likely there are more than 1 of it exist.


boo hoo, nuclear war is going to be the end of us all. not likely, it'll kill alot of humans and damage the earth, but take a look at how much japan has prospered since they were attacked... and you're definitely right, history will repeat itself. we will keep fighting, and people will keep dying, kamikaze style... but eventually, like i said, the "big picture", when the armed forces of the world are exhausted, they will eventually turn their focus onto other things. for example, better filtration technology to filter out the radioactive particles that is in water... (after the nuclear weapons have blown a few pock mocks on the earths surface)

I don't think you see what I'm getting at...history repeats itself, yes. 1000 years ago history repeated itself as wars were fought using swords and sheilds. 100 years ago they were fought using (weak) firearms. Not too long ago they were fought using a bomb that could take out a small country (which you mentioned with Japan). You see what's happening? Weapons are getting more deadly -- and quickly.

I refuse to believe if even half the warheads on the earth were detonated right now that this planet would be able to withstand it. You are counting on the armed forces becoming exhausted while the rest of us are counting on the armed forces to keep bettering their weapons. You think they will find a good weapon and say "meh, this is pretty good, I say we stick with this forever now." Unlikely


Yes. everything "cools off" eventually. it's a fact.

More often than not on a global scale involving religion, weapons, and freedom, it cools off by boiling over, if you know what I mean.

Yes, and English, and that was a very weak attempt at being condescending.

Well that was a very weak attempt at picking up condescention, because there was none of it coming from me.

people say alot of things don't they?

I suppose :stoned:

if you want to believe that every event that's occuring right now is building up to bring on the "end of the world", "judgement day", "the dawn of the dead", whatever, be a drama queen. but when you realise that it's just another anti climactic battle, i hope you remember what i've said on christmas eve 2006, and smile because you know what? everything is gonna be alright even though we have to go through some rough ass shit first.

Ah yes, I am a drama queen for seeing reality clearly. Here it is for you, and this time I will you some condescention:

- weapons blow things up
- weapons that already existed and are proven to be deadly have obviously been refined over the last 50 years
- therefore, a weapon that will blow LARGER amounts up
- also, most likely more than 1 country are the proud owner of this weapon, some maybe even enemies

If it's not the this war that is fatal to this planet, it will be the next one, or the one after that. I cannot envision a war in the future that would lead to those being bombed becoming more prosperous like Japan as you mentioned. I just don't see it happening.

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[TokinAsianGuy]

You seriously don't think anyone on this planet has a weapon capable of taking out a chunk of a country?

Did i ever say that i "seriously" didn't think that there was a weapon capable of taking out a chunk of a country? nope. don't recall ever saying that or alluding to it. and so what, let em blow chunks. some will survive, thats all that matters. it's the ones who survive that will stop the fighting.

I don't think you see what I'm getting at...history repeats itself, yes. 1000 years ago history repeated itself as wars were fought using swords and sheilds. 100 years ago they were fought using (weak) firearms. Not too long ago they were fought using a bomb that could take out a small country (which you mentioned with Japan). You see what's happening? Weapons are getting more deadly -- and quickly.

oh, i get you. i see where you're coming from. and you're right, history does repeat itself, but if i have to start quoting myself to you (which i feel i almost have to do), then what do you think that says about your capabilities to read and comprehend text?

also weapons seem to be getting friendlier by the minute. do some research. you'll find out what i mean. what weapons are you talking about?

I refuse to believe if even half the warheads on the earth were detonated right now that this planet would be able to withstand it. You are counting on the armed forces becoming exhausted while the rest of us are counting on the armed forces to keep bettering their weapons. You think they will find a good weapon and say "meh, this is pretty good, I say we stick with this forever now." Unlikely

well, I refuse to believe that every nuclear weapon on the planet would be detonated at the exact same time. i don't think that the governments of the world will stop trying to create that "ultimate weapon", but they will, mark my words, stop fighting eventually. According to you, i'm the only one who wants peace. but peace isn't the right word to describe it is it? how about a truce? that seems more like it. An eye for an eye will make the world blind grasshopper.

More often than not on a global scale involving religion, weapons, and freedom, it cools off by boiling over, if you know what I mean.

i know what you mean. and you just drove my point further home. lotsa bombs go boom boom, people die, nuclear fallout affects farms, crops, water, and then everyone begins to die slowly, energy needs to be re focused on the more important things like just staying alive. you can't fight a war if you're dead. you're children can't fight a war if you can't have them. i repeat, truce.

Ah yes, I am a drama queen for seeing reality clearly. Here it is for you, and this time I will you some condescention:

- weapons blow things up
- weapons that already existed and are proven to be deadly have obviously been refined over the last 50 years
- therefore, a weapon that will blow LARGER amounts up
- also, most likely more than 1 country are the proud owner of this weapon, some maybe even enemies

tell me something i don't know.

If it's not the this war that is fatal to this planet, it will be the next one, or the one after that. I cannot envision a war in the future that would lead to those being bombed becoming more prosperous like Japan as you mentioned. I just don't see it happening.

yeah that's because you're narrowminded. you should definitely try thinking outside the box instead of just regurgitating what the media tells you.

[TokinAsianGuy]

you reckon? if the world was to end abruptly i'd say that it'd be a huge cataclysmic event, perhaps a military experiment gone wrong under the irresponsible eye of General Zodiyish. Then Jordan Elwood will send his newborn child, Kallan Elwood in a space ship to a distant galaxy somewhere with all the knowledge of the 28 known galaxies, where he will be raised by a race not unlike our own, only more primitive by a few hundred years. Kallan Elwood will be the last son of Earth. but there, where their sun is blue, he will possess abilities that no other being on that planet does, he will be virtually invulnerable. sometimes he will feel like an outcast... but he will never be alone.

[lagstronaut]

you reckon? if the world was to end abruptly i'd say that it'd be a huge cataclysmic event, perhaps a military experiment gone wrong under the irresponsible eye of General Zodiyish. Then Jordan Elwood will send his newborn child, Kallan Elwood in a space ship to a distant galaxy somewhere with all the knowledge of the 28 known galaxies, where he will be raised by a race not unlike our own, only more primitive by a few hundred years. Kallan Elwood will be the last son of Earth. but there, where their sun is blue, he will possess abilities that no other being on that planet does, he will be virtually invulnerable. sometimes he will feel like an outcast... but he will never be alone.

ahahah nice


but okay back to our little discussion..

what i'm trying to say is that in my opinion I think that nuclear/germ weapons will have evolved enough by now (or soon) that the next world war will be the last this earth will see, due to so many nations having access to these devastating powers with (from what I see) most of their leaders being stupid enough to all use them against the enemy when the time deems fit

what i understand from your argument is that you think (or pretty much guarantee ) that either before the next global-scaled war or after the next one we will focus all of our attention on becoming friends with each of the other nations and for some reason accept (or at least tolerate) each other's religions and the world will live in harmony trying to purify the water again


did i get what you're saying right? :jointsmile:

[TokinAsianGuy]

ahahah nice

but okay back to our little discussion..

what i'm trying to say is that in my opinion I think that nuclear/germ weapons will have evolved enough by now (or soon) that the next world war will be the last this earth will see, due to so many nations having access to these devastating powers with (from what I see) most of their leaders being stupid enough to all use them against the enemy when the time deems fit.

perhaps the next world war will be the last physical war. we like to think of war as men in the shit, with rifles slung over their shoulders, because traditionally, this is the way wars are fought. but just like everything else, especially the media, circumstances change and things evolve. technically, we could fight a war without sending any soldiers overseas. could a future war be virtual instead of physical? shutting down internet access across a nation, would seriously cripple their communications. but the world will not end. it will not blow up and not everyone will die. there will be survivors.

what i understand from your argument is that you think (or pretty much guarantee ) that either before the next global-scaled war or after the next one we will focus all of our attention on becoming friends with each of the other nations and for some reason accept (or at least tolerate) each other's religions and the world will live in harmony trying to purify the water again

oh no, not friends. a truce. if you can imagine a world war, that involve regular nuclear attacks on major cities, on every continent, then you will begin to see the devastating effects it has on the land, the crops, the water. we may have the technology to attack other countries thousands of kilometres away, but they have that ability too. so in actuality, the war is no longer on 'the enemies' home turf, the war is wherever you live. so even the innocent civilians cop the full brunt of the attacks. it may seem like i'm stating the obvious here, but most people (not neccssarily you) just don't understand how much war can fuck everything in your life up. it's this mass loss of life that eventually wears down the "fighting" spirit, that consumes most leaders. it's like a game of tennis, that just seems to go on too long. the players will tire. just hittin that hydrogen bomb back and forth, the bounce of a ball equals the destruction of a city. bang. bang. bang. bang. deuce.

What do you think the people of canada would do if they were continually being bombed by nuclear weapons? what do you think the people of the world would do if they were continually being bombed by nuclear weapons? they'd be fairly pissed off wouldn't they? because no matter what the media feeds us. Actions speak louder than words. and if our leaders, who are supposed to protect us, and keep the peace, are provoking attacks from other nations, then that government should and will be disbanded.

Have you ever gotten into a heated argument with someone and then 10 minutes later mid yell, you completely forgot what you were arguing about? and then you just think "oh whatever, i got better things to do...". i believe the same thing will happen, but in this world war scenario, the more important thing you have to do is keep yourself alive and your family safe and fed. survival is hardwired into everything.

How can we rebuild our own society, let alone try and westernise another, when we don't have clean water to drink? last time i checked H2O is one of the most essential things to sustain life. nuclear fallout will affect our bodies too. slowly killing us, preventing most people from conceiving. when that happens, most people will just want to stop fighting because, if they started fighting to preserve their 'way of life' and this is where their lives have ended up, then what were they truly fighting for? a question that alot of people are asking the american government. religious wars become trivial, although strength in unity and strength in community, will become much more prominent.

did i get what you're saying right? :jointsmile:

not quite, but you got the gist of it, although you are still a grasshopper. it's the mentality and understanding of it that will make you think... shit, nuclear war is truly devastating. but we'll get through it. planet earth will get through it.

[lagstronaut]

convincing argument...the part about communications and internet struck me a bit, I never realised that.....i've got no rebuttal!

merry christmas aussie boy

[TokinAsianGuy]

Merry Christmas to you too mate. This was probably the most interesting discussion i've had on this forum.